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Why are so many still using CC and not Codex

lopatin 1y ago
CC has better agent tools and is faster. The ability to switch from plan mode to execution mode and back is huge. Toggling thinking also. And of course they are innovating all of these agentic features like MCP, sub-agents, skills, etc... Codex writes higher quality code, but is slower and less feature rich. I imagine this will change within months. The jury is still out. Exciting times!
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  I guess I don’t understand wanting faster and worse for much work, and some of the features like subagents are dubious or like skills and planning mode are minor conveniences over skill files mentioned by agents.md and toggling read only mode or using a plan file. After all those latter features are just conveniences for assembling context. Maybe CC users haven’t figured out how to parallelize their work because it’s fast enough to just wait or be distracted, and so the Codex waiting seems unbearable.
  - lopatin 1y ago
    A lot of the time the code that needs to be written isn't something that requires an extremely powerful model.
nostrebored 1y ago
If you have no modifications or customization of Claude code then it comes down to a preference for proactivity (codex) or a bit more restraint. If you are using literally any of Claude Code’s features the experience isn’t close, and regardless of model preference (Claude is my least favorite model by far) you should probably use Claude code. It’s just a much more extensible product for teams.
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  Which features are preferable to higher quality output? Losing access to GPT 5 Pro is also a big hit… it is by far the best for reading full files/repos and creating plans (though it also by far has the worst out of the box tooling)
danielrm26 1y ago
Ecosystem features and cohesion.
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  What features are preferable to better output quality? (Since you didn’t mention output quality as superior)
cpursley 1y ago
Both. Codex MCP within CC as a second brain. Best of both worlds.
mewpmewp2 1y ago
I use both at the same time. CC seems to have better access to web and researching capabilities compared to Codex. Maybe I'm not using Codex right or missing something, but it has frequent troubles browsing internet. Also Claude Code is faster. So I use it when I know it can handle the task.

CC has better agent tools and is faster. The ability to switch from plan mode to execution mode and back is huge. Toggling thinking also. And of course they are innovating all of these agentic features like MCP, sub-agents, skills, etc... Codex writes higher quality code, but is slower and less feature rich. I imagine this will change within months. The jury is still out. Exciting times!

wahnfrieden 1y ago
I guess I don’t understand wanting faster and worse for much work, and some of the features like subagents are dubious or like skills and planning mode are minor conveniences over skill files mentioned by agents.md and toggling read only mode or using a plan file. After all those latter features are just conveniences for assembling context. Maybe CC users haven’t figured out how to parallelize their work because it’s fast enough to just wait or be distracted, and so the Codex waiting seems unbearable.
- lopatin 1y ago
  A lot of the time the code that needs to be written isn't something that requires an extremely powerful model.

nostrebored 1y ago

If you have no modifications or customization of Claude code then it comes down to a preference for proactivity (codex) or a bit more restraint. If you are using literally any of Claude Code’s features the experience isn’t close, and regardless of model preference (Claude is my least favorite model by far) you should probably use Claude code. It’s just a much more extensible product for teams.

wahnfrieden 1y ago
Which features are preferable to higher quality output? Losing access to GPT 5 Pro is also a big hit… it is by far the best for reading full files/repos and creating plans (though it also by far has the worst out of the box tooling)

danielrm26 1y ago

Ecosystem features and cohesion.

wahnfrieden 1y ago
What features are preferable to better output quality? (Since you didn’t mention output quality as superior)

cpursley 1y ago

Both. Codex MCP within CC as a second brain. Best of both worlds.

mewpmewp2 1y ago

I use both at the same time. CC seems to have better access to web and researching capabilities compared to Codex. Maybe I'm not using Codex right or missing something, but it has frequent troubles browsing internet. Also Claude Code is faster. So I use it when I know it can handle the task.