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This is not true. Energy prices are rising globally, even in countries with few or no data centers and declining industrial activity. It increasingly looks like

by jasonsb 11mo ago

This is not true. Energy prices are rising globally, even in countries with few or no data centers and declining industrial activity. It increasingly looks like a coordinated effort to extract as much revenue as possible from consumers before widespread adoption of solar power shifts the balance.

bdangubic 11mo ago
widespread adoption of solar is America is planned for 2097 or thereabouts so few years left of extraction of revenue :)
- jasonsb 11mo ago
  It looks like the current administration hates solar, but maybe things will change in a few years. California and Texas are among the world leaders, so there's still hope.
  - kulahan 11mo ago
    He likes nuclear, at least. Mega bonus. Solar is pretty middling in comparison, so that’s fine with me.
  - FridayoLeary 11mo ago
    [flagged]
- add-sub-mul-div 11mo ago
  Well then what's your mechanism for denial of the data center premise?
- antisthenes 11mo ago
  I wouldn't be so pessimistic. This oil-interest friendly administration won't last forever.
loeg 11mo ago
It is true, even if prices are rising in other places for other reasons.
- jasonsb 11mo ago
  Those other reasons being none other than pure greed. Total energy consumption has peaked in Europe in 2021 while prices go up like they're building a data center in every european country every 60 minutes.
  - estimator7292 11mo ago
    The AI/DC bubble is about pure greed. You're only about a third correct
  - JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
    > other reasons being none other than pure greed This is a good sign you’re missing something. Particularly when talking about a global and diversified commodity like energy.
    - anon7000 11mo ago
      Every for-profit company operating under capitalism is essentially required to be greedy in order to be successful.
      - hackable_sand 11mo ago
        That is broadly true, but we need more accuracy.
      - JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
        > Every for-profit company operating under capitalism is essentially required to be greedy Every company (currently) depends on atmospheric oxygen, that doesn’t make O2 the cause of energy prices. Greed exists. It always has. Unless energy distributors have specifically become more greedy, recently and globally, the answer is somewhere else.
toomuchtodo 11mo ago
It is true. > It increasingly looks like a coordinated effort to extract as much revenue as possible from consumers before widespread adoption of solar power shifts the balance. That statement isn't wrong, but increased power prices on consumers through socializing the costs of privatized benefit data centers is the mechanism for this. Data centers are a tax on consumers via their electric bills. Citations: Data Center Demand Fuels Surge in Electric Costs - https://www.thesandpaper.net/articles/data-center-demand-fuels-surge-in-electric-costs/ https://www.thesandpaper.net/articles/data-center-demand-fue... - October 8th, 2025 AI Data Centers Are Sending Power Bills Soaring - https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-elec... - September 29th, 2025 How AI infrastructure is driving a sharp rise in electricity bills - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-ai-infrastructure-is-driving-a-sharp-rise-in-electricity-bills https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-ai-infrastructure-is-d... - September 5th, 2025 Data centers will cause higher electricity prices, study finds - https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2025/08/28/data-centers-will-cause-higher-electricity-prices-study-finds-north-carolina-state https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2025/08/28/data-centers-... - August 28th, 2025 As electric bills rise, evidence mounts that data centers share blame. States feel pressure to act - https://apnews.com/article/electricity-prices-data-centers-artificial-intelligence-fbf213a915fb574a4f3e5baaa7041c3a https://apnews.com/article/electricity-prices-data-centers-a... - August 8th, 2025 CMU: Data Center Growth Could Increase Electricity Bills 8% Nationally and as Much as 25% in Some Regional Markets - https://www.cmu.edu/work-that-matters/energy-innovation/data-center-growth-could-increase-electricity-bills https://www.cmu.edu/work-that-matters/energy-innovation/data... https://www.datacenterwatch.org/report https://www.datacenterwatch.org/report Energy prices are also flat in Europe, due to renewables pushing out volatile fossil fuels. Ember Energy: European electricity prices and costs - https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-and-costs/ https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-an... (updated daily) Household electricity prices in 1st half of 2025: -0.5% - https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20251029-2 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/... - October 29th, 2025 Ember Energy: Decoupled: How Spain cut the link between gas and power prices using renewables - https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/decoupled-how-spain-cut-the-link-between-gas-and-power-prices-using-renewables/ https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/decoupled-how-spain... - October 2nd, 2025
idiotsecant 11mo ago
This is inaccurate. In places with cheap fuel and steady load the prices for power are rising no faster than inflation. In places where fuel costs are increasing or tech companies are forcing us to subsidize their moon race to nothing the prices are increasing.

by jasonsb 11mo ago

bdangubic 11mo ago

widespread adoption of solar is America is planned for 2097 or thereabouts so few years left of extraction of revenue :)

jasonsb 11mo ago
It looks like the current administration hates solar, but maybe things will change in a few years. California and Texas are among the world leaders, so there's still hope.
- kulahan 11mo ago
  He likes nuclear, at least. Mega bonus. Solar is pretty middling in comparison, so that’s fine with me.
- FridayoLeary 11mo ago
  [flagged]
add-sub-mul-div 11mo ago
Well then what's your mechanism for denial of the data center premise?
antisthenes 11mo ago
I wouldn't be so pessimistic. This oil-interest friendly administration won't last forever.

loeg 11mo ago

It is true, even if prices are rising in other places for other reasons.

jasonsb 11mo ago
Those other reasons being none other than pure greed. Total energy consumption has peaked in Europe in 2021 while prices go up like they're building a data center in every european country every 60 minutes.
- estimator7292 11mo ago
  The AI/DC bubble is about pure greed. You're only about a third correct
- JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
  > other reasons being none other than pure greed This is a good sign you’re missing something. Particularly when talking about a global and diversified commodity like energy.
  - anon7000 11mo ago
    Every for-profit company operating under capitalism is essentially required to be greedy in order to be successful.
    - hackable_sand 11mo ago
      That is broadly true, but we need more accuracy.
    - JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
      > Every for-profit company operating under capitalism is essentially required to be greedy Every company (currently) depends on atmospheric oxygen, that doesn’t make O2 the cause of energy prices. Greed exists. It always has. Unless energy distributors have specifically become more greedy, recently and globally, the answer is somewhere else.

toomuchtodo 11mo ago

It is true. > It increasingly looks like a coordinated effort to extract as much revenue as possible from consumers before widespread adoption of solar power shifts the balance. That statement isn't wrong, but increased power prices on consumers through socializing the costs of privatized benefit data centers is the mechanism for this. Data centers are a tax on consumers via their electric bills. Citations: Data Center Demand Fuels Surge in Electric Costs - https://www.thesandpaper.net/articles/data-center-demand-fuels-surge-in-electric-costs/ https://www.thesandpaper.net/articles/data-center-demand-fue... - October 8th, 2025 AI Data Centers Are Sending Power Bills Soaring - https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-elec... - September 29th, 2025 How AI infrastructure is driving a sharp rise in electricity bills - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-ai-infrastructure-is-driving-a-sharp-rise-in-electricity-bills https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-ai-infrastructure-is-d... - September 5th, 2025 Data centers will cause higher electricity prices, study finds - https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2025/08/28/data-centers-will-cause-higher-electricity-prices-study-finds-north-carolina-state https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2025/08/28/data-centers-... - August 28th, 2025 As electric bills rise, evidence mounts that data centers share blame. States feel pressure to act - https://apnews.com/article/electricity-prices-data-centers-artificial-intelligence-fbf213a915fb574a4f3e5baaa7041c3a https://apnews.com/article/electricity-prices-data-centers-a... - August 8th, 2025 CMU: Data Center Growth Could Increase Electricity Bills 8% Nationally and as Much as 25% in Some Regional Markets - https://www.cmu.edu/work-that-matters/energy-innovation/data-center-growth-could-increase-electricity-bills https://www.cmu.edu/work-that-matters/energy-innovation/data... https://www.datacenterwatch.org/report https://www.datacenterwatch.org/report Energy prices are also flat in Europe, due to renewables pushing out volatile fossil fuels. Ember Energy: European electricity prices and costs - https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-and-costs/ https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-an... (updated daily) Household electricity prices in 1st half of 2025: -0.5% - https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20251029-2 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/... - October 29th, 2025 Ember Energy: Decoupled: How Spain cut the link between gas and power prices using renewables - https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/decoupled-how-spain-cut-the-link-between-gas-and-power-prices-using-renewables/ https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/decoupled-how-spain... - October 2nd, 2025

idiotsecant 11mo ago

This is inaccurate. In places with cheap fuel and steady load the prices for power are rising no faster than inflation. In places where fuel costs are increasing or tech companies are forcing us to subsidize their moon race to nothing the prices are increasing.