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Feels accurate to me. He's clearly anticipating the "but how will I run Debian on my PDP-11??" naysayers that always try to derail things.
by IshKebab 1y ago
Feels accurate to me. He's clearly anticipating the "but how will I run Debian on my PDP-11??" naysayers that always try to derail things.
- tialaramex 1y agoRight. I do have some nostalgia for installing Linux on a brand new PC which had less total RAM than my computer today has cache, but we need to be clear eyed about what makes sense for a maintained piece of software. I also have feelings about steam trains, but burning coal is not a sensible way to power a train in 2025. A nostalgia-fuelled Linux distro, maybe using a deliberately slimmed down or retro kernel, and chosen software could make a lot more sense than keep trying to squeeze Debian onto hardware that was already obsolete at the turn of the century while also promoting Debian as a viable choice for a brand new laptop.
- BobBagwill 1y ago> I also have feelings about steam trains, but burning coal is not a sensible way to power a train in 2025. Solved problem: United States Patent Application 3127321 Date of Patent March 31, 1964 NUCLEAR REACTOR FOR A RAILWAY VEHICLE
- tialaramex 1y agoVery Fallout
- DaSHacka 1y agoOr those annoying nagging "well, what if I don't have an X86_64 CPU that was made in the last five years?", to which obviously our response should be: "get different hardware LOL, closedwontfix"
- IshKebab 1y agoNo, supporting 5 year old mainstream hardware is a very reasonable thing to do. Supporting 20 year old hardware that barely anyone used even when it was new is not.
- tialaramex 1y agoIndeed. Four targets are identified as potentially affected: alpha, hppa, m68k and sh4 To be fair, lots of people did use Motorola 68xxx CPUs when those were new, it's just that it was 40+ years ago in products like the Commodore Amiga. The SH4 is most popularly connected to the Dreamcast, Sega's video game console from back when Sega made video game consoles. The Alpha and PA Risc were seen in relatively recent and more conventional hardware, but in much tinier numbers, and when I say relatively I mean early this century, these are not products anybody bought five years ago, and when they were on sale they were niche products for a niche which in practical terms was eaten by Microsoft.
- julian-klode 1y agoAlpha and PA Risc where the predecessors of Itanium fwiw if you want to feel old in an easy to understand way.
- NewsaHackO 1y agoIs your point that rust doesn't run on a computer built in 2020?
- DaSHacka 1y agoNo, but that if it did not, I am not so sure that would even be seen as a problem.
- NewsaHackO 1y ago[flagged]
- DaSHacka 1y agoFeel free to enlighten me. Nothing I have seen thus far indicates anything to the contrary.
- iknowstuff 1y agoSpend more effort on looking before posting then!
- DaSHacka 1y agoI'm not gonna waste effort on a fool's errand. So far, neither claim has been backed up whatsoever. It's obviously more likely it's just fans of the language with a knee-jerk reaction of "ackshully you're totally definetely wrong, but uh... don't ask me how, you just are" than legitimate talking points.
- iknowstuff 1y agostay ignant then, keep making stupid claims and asking people to correct them lol
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- testdelacc1 1y agoHas Linux dropped support for older x86 CPUs?
- littlestymaar 1y agoRust hasn't either AFAIK.
- gpm 1y agoYeah, in... late 2012 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/12/292 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/12/292
- aragilar 1y agoBut the message is not just "we will require Rust and here's the timeline (and some things may break)", it's also "I know what I'm going to break and it's your problem to fix it" (via the CC line) and ends in a passive-aggressive way (the phrase "Thank you for your understanding." is basically a polite way of saying "and fuck you too."). This gets people off-side, and makes it more likely they're going to throw up barriers rather than either do what you ask or find some other way to collaborate/achieve the ideal outcome.