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Honestly dumb. You don't need more house for more kids. The average home today is larger than anything our grandparents had. I mean, do whatever you want just

Honestly dumb. You don't need more house for more kids. The average home today is larger than anything our grandparents had. I mean, do whatever you want just stop blaming everything else for it. You don't want kids. Don't have them.

betaby 1y ago
> The average home today is larger than anything our grandparents had Gen Z is living in smaller apartments than their grandparents were living.
- estimator7292 1y ago
  My grandparents had a 6BR 4bath triplex. Even with tech salary, i'll never be able to afford that in my life
  - casey2 1y ago
    If you are referring to the same location Your grandparents did the work that made the location you live in valuable. (and failed to gatekeep that value for their children) Clearly value isn't going to local communities, this will correct itself when people pull their money out of the stock market. As long as people believe Walmart or Nvidia will make them more money in the long term than improving their local infrastructure costs will continue to rise. If the AI bubble pops house prices will collapse, if not then there is a lot of money to be made. If you have trillion x returns you would pull candy out of a babies mouth to invest
ares623 1y ago
Not wanting kids in the current moment could be due to decades of seeing how everything is and realizing that kids are not realistic. If you think about it, it is impressive how we’ve managed to practically drown out nature’s sole driving force of life itself. That’s how beaten younger folks feel.
- anon291 1y ago
  It's totally fine to not want kids. I'm a 'younger folk' having kids right now. It's a choice. If you want kids have them. If you don't, don't. The data are pretty clear that no amount of material wealth makes people who don't want kids suddenly have kids. In America, most of the people without kids don't want them and blame external factors instead of being honest.
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  - Saline9515 1y ago
    The problem is that your kids will have to pay taxes and physically produce for tomorrow's people healthcare and retirement rents of the people who chose not to have them. There is an obvious freeloading aspect here.
    - encrypted_bird 1y ago
      God forbid we have a societal safety net that covers everyone! Seriously, this whole "freeloading" nonsense is why this country still hasn't gotten universal healthcare. Because everytime someone brings it up, people shout "why should I work to provide a benefit to people who don't work to provide a benefit for me"? Because it lowers costs for EVERYONE, regardless of the fraction who don't work. And because we should live in a society that values taking care of each other instead of "screw you what's in it for me?"
      - Saline9515 1y ago
        The problem is that, as people chose rationally to have no children, the social safety net becomes harder and harder to sustain. It's not the same issue as healthcare. It's "inverse solidarity", where the poor (the parents who had to pay in time and money to produce new members of the society) end up worse off and their offspring will have to pay for the rich, who didn't spend to have children. The fact that we need to argue such simple matter says a lot about how most people don't understand what a society is.
Saline9515 1y ago
In every rich country, real estate prices have grown much faster than wages. Besides, metropolization means that you can't live easily in the countryside, where it's cheaper, anymore.
- anon291 1y ago
  True in aggregate, not true at all rurally.
  - Saline9515 1y ago
    This is why I added "easily". Overall, it will also be very dependent on the type of job you have to support you - for most white collar ones, you have to be in a big city.

betaby 1y ago

> The average home today is larger than anything our grandparents had Gen Z is living in smaller apartments than their grandparents were living.

estimator7292 1y ago
My grandparents had a 6BR 4bath triplex. Even with tech salary, i'll never be able to afford that in my life
- casey2 1y ago
  If you are referring to the same location Your grandparents did the work that made the location you live in valuable. (and failed to gatekeep that value for their children) Clearly value isn't going to local communities, this will correct itself when people pull their money out of the stock market. As long as people believe Walmart or Nvidia will make them more money in the long term than improving their local infrastructure costs will continue to rise. If the AI bubble pops house prices will collapse, if not then there is a lot of money to be made. If you have trillion x returns you would pull candy out of a babies mouth to invest

ares623 1y ago

Not wanting kids in the current moment could be due to decades of seeing how everything is and realizing that kids are not realistic. If you think about it, it is impressive how we’ve managed to practically drown out nature’s sole driving force of life itself. That’s how beaten younger folks feel.

anon291 1y ago
It's totally fine to not want kids. I'm a 'younger folk' having kids right now. It's a choice. If you want kids have them. If you don't, don't. The data are pretty clear that no amount of material wealth makes people who don't want kids suddenly have kids. In America, most of the people without kids don't want them and blame external factors instead of being honest.
- deleted 1y ago
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- Saline9515 1y ago
  The problem is that your kids will have to pay taxes and physically produce for tomorrow's people healthcare and retirement rents of the people who chose not to have them. There is an obvious freeloading aspect here.
  - encrypted_bird 1y ago
    God forbid we have a societal safety net that covers everyone! Seriously, this whole "freeloading" nonsense is why this country still hasn't gotten universal healthcare. Because everytime someone brings it up, people shout "why should I work to provide a benefit to people who don't work to provide a benefit for me"? Because it lowers costs for EVERYONE, regardless of the fraction who don't work. And because we should live in a society that values taking care of each other instead of "screw you what's in it for me?"
    - Saline9515 1y ago
      The problem is that, as people chose rationally to have no children, the social safety net becomes harder and harder to sustain. It's not the same issue as healthcare. It's "inverse solidarity", where the poor (the parents who had to pay in time and money to produce new members of the society) end up worse off and their offspring will have to pay for the rich, who didn't spend to have children. The fact that we need to argue such simple matter says a lot about how most people don't understand what a society is.

Saline9515 1y ago

In every rich country, real estate prices have grown much faster than wages. Besides, metropolization means that you can't live easily in the countryside, where it's cheaper, anymore.

anon291 1y ago
True in aggregate, not true at all rurally.
- Saline9515 1y ago
  This is why I added "easily". Overall, it will also be very dependent on the type of job you have to support you - for most white collar ones, you have to be in a big city.