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Measles outbreak investigation in Utah blocked by patient who refuses to talk

31 points by rbanffy 1y ago

bediger4000 1y ago
This is a miniature version of the "Why police should be allowed to torture every once in a while" situation, isn't it? There's lives at stake, possibly a large number. The suspect definitely has the information needed to reduce suffering and death.
- tstrimple 1y ago
  No. Because information gained by torture isn’t likely to be accurate. At some point, they will say whatever you want them to say. The plea system has enough bad outcomes due to corrupt prosecutors and police.
  - viraptor 1y ago
    And in this case wouldn't even be needed. Just follow the person or lock them up since they're dangerous to those around them.
- ux266478 1y ago
  I think that's a dangerous deflection of blame away from the power structures and people within them that manifested and fostered this reality. The answer to institutional nihilism reaching actively harmful levels is not to antagonize the common man, and part of the reason why is such antagonism is one of the many ways you build such a culture in the first place.
- singleshot_ 1y ago
  No, this is a true-to-life scale example of the Constitution’s reservation to the States to regulate the health, welfare, and moral qualities of their populace.
- add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
  Torture isn't the answer, but if antivax wants to have its moment then it is time to counter that by getting more serious about control of or punishment for people who are voluntarily spreading contagious disease. Of course the places that will suffer the most will be least likely to enforce anything along those lines, so the world will likely continue to get dumber without relief.
maxbendick 1y ago
As is their right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartleby,_the_Scrivener https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartleby,_the_Scrivener
msarrel 1y ago
Public health officials have the right to go to court and petition for compliance in order to protect the general public.
evanjrowley 1y ago
All the comments demonstrate a belief that this is some right-wing anti-vaxxer, which seems like a stretch, given that they sought healthcare in the first place. What if divulging their personal information leads to them being reported by ICE?

31 points by rbanffy 1y ago

This is a miniature version of the "Why police should be allowed to torture every once in a while" situation, isn't it? There's lives at stake, possibly a large number. The suspect definitely has the information needed to reduce suffering and death.

tstrimple 1y ago
No. Because information gained by torture isn’t likely to be accurate. At some point, they will say whatever you want them to say. The plea system has enough bad outcomes due to corrupt prosecutors and police.
- viraptor 1y ago
  And in this case wouldn't even be needed. Just follow the person or lock them up since they're dangerous to those around them.
ux266478 1y ago
I think that's a dangerous deflection of blame away from the power structures and people within them that manifested and fostered this reality. The answer to institutional nihilism reaching actively harmful levels is not to antagonize the common man, and part of the reason why is such antagonism is one of the many ways you build such a culture in the first place.
singleshot_ 1y ago
No, this is a true-to-life scale example of the Constitution’s reservation to the States to regulate the health, welfare, and moral qualities of their populace.
add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
Torture isn't the answer, but if antivax wants to have its moment then it is time to counter that by getting more serious about control of or punishment for people who are voluntarily spreading contagious disease. Of course the places that will suffer the most will be least likely to enforce anything along those lines, so the world will likely continue to get dumber without relief.

maxbendick 1y ago

As is their right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartleby,_the_Scrivener https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartleby,_the_Scrivener

msarrel 1y ago

Public health officials have the right to go to court and petition for compliance in order to protect the general public.

evanjrowley 1y ago

All the comments demonstrate a belief that this is some right-wing anti-vaxxer, which seems like a stretch, given that they sought healthcare in the first place. What if divulging their personal information leads to them being reported by ICE?