8 ms·
Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III
- addflip 14y agoWow Nokia's stepping their game up.
- Apreche 14y agoI think we are all pretty convinced by now that the Lumia has the best camera. Too bad it's also a phone.
- ernesth 14y agoOn the bright side, it also has the best GPS. Too bad it is a smartphone.
- barista 14y agoand the best screen and the best OS too...
- pmelendez 14y agoand... a wireless charger :)
- vaultboy21 14y ago..what is this reddit all of a sudden? but since we're on it, yes it looks awesome. really looking forward to picking one up. everyone has opinions and preferences but i think it’s hard to argue against the fact that microsoft is showing some real innovation and creativity in development of windows phone, and nokia compliments that exceptionally well with their stellar hardware.
- deleted 14y ago[deleted]
- tsahyt 14y agoDoes it? I mean, is WP really on par with Android or iOS? I haven't ever used it, so I can't really make a statement here, that's why I'm asking.
- rkwz 14y ago>is WP really on par with Android or iOS Yes.
- mstank 14y agoStill cannot believe they didn't foresee the PR shitstorm they would create by faking the original pictures. Especially since the actual camera is pretty damn decent.
- MBCook 14y agoThat's the thing. If the camera is anything near what they were claiming, they didn't need to fake the pictures. The reason you fake pictures (or setup unrealistic test conditions) is to make your product look better than it actually is. But the decided to, reportedly because the software wasn't ready. Not only was the camera actually that good, but they faked it to make a paper launch, where they didn't even announce a release date.
- forgottenpaswrd 14y ago"If the camera is anything near what they were claiming, they didn't need to fake the pictures" They need, at the end of the day, it is a phone stabilization. Nothing compared with a real $200 video camera from Sony yet. The Iphone technology in the works could be better than that, don't forget that this camera is just a prototype in the lab. In fact they are telling the competition when their puck is going to be.
- dexen 14y agoSupposedly, `There is no such thing as bad publicity' [1]. In case of Nokia's recent phones, I agree wholeheartedly -- we wouldn't have heard of Lumia 920 on HN if it wasn't for the faked ad and resulting chatter in the blogosphere. [1] http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-is-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity.html http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-is-no-such-thing-as...
- jrockway 14y agoSo this thing ships with Symbian? Didn't Nokia agree to only ship Windows Phones or something?
- Gravityloss 14y agonope, all Lumias are Windows, and this is win8. The first pureview phone/camera with a huge sensor was with Symbian.
- jrockway 14y agoAh, so Engadget's little infobox at the bottom is just wrong.
- disordinary 14y agoThe infobox for the 808 says Symbian, the info box for the Lumia says Windows 8. Nothing wrong there.
- warp 14y agoThe infobox shows symbian for the "Nokia 808 PureView", and Windows Phone (8) for the "Nokia Lumia 920". The box isn't wrong, it is just confusing that the 808 info panel is expanded by default and the Lumia one is collapsed like the other phones.
- mtgx 14y agoThe difference is a lot smaller when Galaxy S3 and One X use "night mode", so they are both capable of doing much better in the night (sorry for the weird link - it's from Google). http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iL605sRTn_Y/UEy2V15bD9I/AAAAAAAARmo/PZLCRCFTW-k/s1600/After+the+scandal,+Nokia+conducting+the+actual+test+low-light+shooting+on+the+Lumia+920.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iL605sRTn_Y/UEy2V15bD9I/AAAAAAAARm... The question is why don't they do that automatically like the Lumia 920? Perhaps to save energy?
- notJim 14y agoCan you link to the article you took this from? Looks like The Verge, but I couldn't find it.
- mtgx 14y agoI couldn't find it either. That's why I just took the Google image. But I remembered it from reading that article on TheVerge.
- callumjones 14y agoThe source is http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/7/3299784/nokia-lumia-920-pureview-camera-hi-res-photos http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/7/3299784/nokia-lumia-920-pur...
- notJim 14y agoAwesome, thanks.
- Anchor 14y agoRelated discussion on the OIS performance earlier today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4575816 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4575816
- sergiotapia 14y ago"The 920 took the cake, without question, but the iPhone didn't fare too poorly itself, snatching up nearly as much light as the Nokia device" How can anybody take this article seriously? The difference between the Lumia and the IPhone 5 is night and day! Lumia looks very clear and bright, while the IPhone picture looks like a screenshot from Night of The Comet. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-unWVjA7__B0/Tpsek1bA9-I/AAAAAAAAGZc/1cpYjV9YBc0/s1600/2.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-unWVjA7__B0/Tpsek1bA9-I/AAAAAAAAGZ...
- Mythbusters 14y agoThis one compares it to iPhone 4s, but the difference is day and night here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhhBJ1URCg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhhBJ1URCg
- ghshephard 14y agoI almost wonder if the original article with the "faked video" wasn't a plant, and that they actually knew the results would be good, and this controversy would basically keep the Lumia 920 constantly in the press. Remember - this is a phone that has not yet been shipped yet.
- stan_rogers 14y agoThe "faked" shots (apart from the image stabilization simulation -- which all of the major camera makers have done in ads at one time or another) were done with actual hardware/firmware prototypes, so although they weren't done with production samples (which didn't exist at the time), they were "real" in the sense that they used the same sensor, processing pipeline and optics as the production camera.
- lwat 14y agoSource?
- Mythbusters 14y agoI think he is referring to the photos that they displayed on the day it was revealed. The pictures are there on nokia site and are equaly impressive. http://www.nokia.com/global/products/pureview/ http://www.nokia.com/global/products/pureview/
- ghshephard 14y agoI thought the night time shots were also identified as being faked, and, in fact, the aperture of a smartphone camera wouldn't have the same sparkling effect as a SLR (which actually took the picture) - so the pictures were different as well.
- forgottenpaswrd 14y agoCould could a company like Nokia have so bad marketing staff? If you have a good camera on a phone, please don't show me Finland in Autumn weather!! It is f*cking depressing!! Don't show me the streets in the night, don't show me the geek's house in the dark, don't show me a frigging cold calibration test. Now it is Spring in Argentina or New Zealand! Show me great places, show me light, show me flowers, show me colors, show me people, show me life!! Apple gets it, Nokia does not.
- jgoney 14y agoThe point is to showcase the technical superiority of the camera. Even the worst camera hardware can generally produce good results with adequate light.
- jjcm 14y agoThe point was a low light test. "Show me light" really kinda ruins the whole experiment. A drow night shot of a city is an accurate portrayal of most of the night shots that will be taken by their target audience, so it makes sense for them to use it here.
- jsnell 14y agoUm... You do understand that Engadget isn't on the payroll of Nokia, right? These are not marketing photos. They're photos taken by tech journalists who were visiting Finland, and were given a chance to get some try the camera out. Which is something they'd clearly be delighted to do, since due to the earlier controversy this makes for easy to sell news. What exactly did you expect Nokia to do? Pass on this opportunity to set the record straight on the controversy from a few weeks ago? Tell them that they're only allowed to publish pictures of something appropriately vibrant and photogenic? And your complaint about is ridiculous on another level. If you've ever seen actual Nokia marketing photos, e.g. for the N8 or the 808, they tend to be exactly what you asked for. Dramatic, colorful, lively photos from awesome locations all around the world. But such shots from Nokia marketing aren't particularly relevant in this case. First, the authenticity of their photos is questionable right now. Second, such photos aren't a particularly good way of highlighting the unique selling point of low light performance.
- 14y ago
- borlak 14y agodo all these phones automatically vignette their pictures?
- stan_rogers 14y agoPretty much, unless you use digital zoom (cropping) to get in tighter. It's not so much "automatic vignetting" as it is the result of using a lens that just barely covers the sensor with its image circle -- to avoid vignetting, they'd need to use either a much smaller aperture (and run into diffraction problems) or a much larger and more complex lens that wouldn't fit the phone form factor very well.
- chenster 14y agoI'm still getting the iPhone.
- tsahyt 14y agoThe 920 actually performs really well here. Another strong point of this phone. I really wish Nokia a proper comeback in the smartphone market. Maybe I'm just nostalgic about what they used to be. However, the 920 seems to be the kind of phone that could manage just that, even though I'm a little skeptical about the choice of OS (have only read about it though).
- rkwz 14y ago> even though I'm a little skeptical about the choice of OS (have only read about it though). I'm using WP7 as my primary phone - It's a really good OS. You can try it out in a nearby shop if you have time.