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The ICEBlock removal is absurd when you consider Waze has been warning drivers about police locations for... Years? The only difference is which government agen

The ICEBlock removal is absurd when you consider Waze has been warning drivers about police locations for... Years? The only difference is which government agency is being monitored. This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really

RajT88 11mo ago
> This sets a dangerous precedent Quite a lot of things this statement applies to lately.
lovich 11mo ago
> This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really It’s only a dangerous precedent if you believe your opponents will ever gain power. If you believe your political opponents will never have power again, then who cares about precedent?
- pigeons 11mo ago
  Well, still dangerous for the people its used against.
  - lostlogin 11mo ago
    Missing this point is alarming.
    - hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
      It’s possible loveich does not morally agree with their own post, but are providing it as an opposing view.
      - potato3732842 11mo ago
        I think his post is meant to be interpreted about like holding up a mirror in response to "who done this?".
- degamad 11mo ago
  > if you believe your opponents will ever gain power. Or are already in power.
- potato3732842 11mo ago
  >It’s only a dangerous precedent if you believe your opponents will ever gain power. If you believe your political opponents will never have power again, then who cares about precedent? And that kind of thinking in years past is EXACTLY why we're here annoyed by dozens of organizations having and using power they probably ought not to.
lostlogin 11mo ago
> This sets a dangerous precedent This is a dangerous president.
- potato3732842 11mo ago
  But never mind all those incremental precedents we helped set along the way. /s It's a staircase, not a cliff.
dragonwriter 11mo ago
Both that removal and Google's removal of other ICE tracking apps on the basis that a government paramilitary enforcement force (much less one involved in executing an ethnic cleansing) constituted a “vulnerable group” goes beyond “dangerous precedent”, a description which implies that an act is not harmful in itself but only in what it may normalize down the road.
charcircuit 11mo ago
I think they are different in that: 1. People are not harassing traffic enforcement, like they are harassing immigration enforcement. 2. Waze's information incentivizes people to follow traffic laws more deligently than they would which results in safer driving conditions for other people driving. ICEBlock did not have the benefit of making people follow immigration law better, or turn themselves in faster.
- throwawayqqq11 11mo ago
  Avoiding traffic controls is no solution to reckless driving. Like surveilance cameras, they only move the crime elsewhere. What you need is a gapless panopticon so that every suspect feels like being at the verge of getting caught, to enforce eg. traffic laws. ICE does not target criminal behavior though. They literally disappear people based on appearance and any criminal record. Such a panopticon is an entirely different beast.
  - Yeul 11mo ago
    It really is that bad. They put illegal immigrants on military transport planes to South Sudan. And how are those poor people supposed to get back home?
- saubeidl 11mo ago
  Immigrants with no criminal record now largest group in ICE detention: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-criminal-record-ice-detention https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c... ICE Agents Rappel from Helicopter in Overnight Chicago Raid, Dragging Kids from Beds to U-Hauls: https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-11823082 https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-1182308... Feds detain WGN-TV staffer, slam into resident’s car in Lincoln Square: https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arrest-wgn-staffer-slam-into-residents-car-in-lincoln-square https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arr... We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days: https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-... Videos of violent ICE interactions flood social media: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-video-arrests-trump-immigration-crackdown-rcna237373 https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-... This is not "immigration enforcement". It's paramilitary thugs beating up and disappearing political opponents. The closest equivalent would be the SA.
stinkbeetle 11mo ago
What an astounding and completely unforeseeable surprise, the old "they're a private company, they can do what they want [and if they are pressured by the government through back-channels and veiled threats, that's fine too]" is coming back around. Never thought that would happen ever.
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deaux 11mo ago
> This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really This is selective enforcement of ToS? It's like saying "pardoning a human trafficker sets a dangerous precedent for pardoning human traffickers".
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- ab5tract 11mo ago
  Yes, this is what we do say when human traffickers are pardoned.
- jbstack 11mo ago
  How can you set a precedent for doing something without doing that thing? Here's a dictionary definition for precedent: "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances."
pjc50 11mo ago
The real precedent for this is the removal of the drone strikes tracker app on the grounds that it was "political". https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approved-app-tracks-190526029.html https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approv... Which predates Trump and was happening under the Obama presidency. The real lesson there is that the application of the Jack Bauer principle ("good guys" are allowed to freely torture and murder "bad guys" without legal process) would eventually leak back into the mainland US. The same excuse - the concept that foreigners do not have rights - enables ICE to be incredibly abusive. And of course citizenship then becomes something that can be taken away by such a trivial matter as a cop deciding to throw away your ID. You might be able to prove you're a citizen if you had due process, but now you're a noncitizen you're not entitled to that.
jfim 11mo ago
> This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really Companies can enforce their terms of service as they see fit, including enforcing them selectively or not at all, with very few limitations. They're not bound by precedent as courts would be, nor do they need to be fair.
- Anonbrit 11mo ago
  Should that be true for a monopoly service though? I don't believe it's true for water, electricity companies. It's not tried for health insurance companies under the ACA. Are we teaching the point where technology should be treated similarly?
- matthewdgreen 11mo ago
  Leaving aside the obvious governmental influence in this “private company’s decision”, we, as a democratic society, have the right to decide when and if the two major smartphone OS makers have the right to ban apps. We even have the right to decide whether those exclusive app stores should exist. Whatever I thought about this matter before, my feelings are different after this decision.
  - vorpalhex 11mo ago
    Do we, a democratic society, have a right to pick your breakfast? Can we force you into a career? Can we force you to right a book? What if you work with a few people? Can we compel you to right a book then? What if you work with a lot of people, a few thousand? Can we make you write a book in that case?
    - ThrowMeAway1618 11mo ago
      >Do we, a democratic society, have a right to pick your breakfast? Well, you can pick your friends. And you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your friend's nose. In a democratic society, that is.
    - sixothree 11mo ago
shantara 11mo ago
Apple removed the apps used by Hong Kong protesters on Chinese government’s request. It’s way past the point of pretending that this situation is somehow unforeseen. Two private companies have inexcusable control over what the entire population can do with their devices
- potato3732842 11mo ago
  I want to believe that the top level comment is satire that perfectly threaded the needle and is indistinguishable from the morons it's ridiculing.
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duxup 11mo ago
Every time I report a speed trap I wonder how long it will be until that feature is removed.
- port11 11mo ago
  I think in Europe speed traps have to be signalled beforehand? I'm not sure if that's the case everywhere but the signs are usually there, so perhaps that's why such a feature is allowed to exist.
- jrs235 11mo ago
  They'll leave it on the UI, it just won't actually do anything. People will mostly be none the wiser.
  - duxup 11mo ago
    I'd notice over time when if never got any speed trap notifications anymore.
    - jrs235 11mo ago
      They'll just report speed traps 30 minutes after no reports for the previous 30 minutes. Then you'll think you were one of the first to come up on them when you see them on the side of the road and think they moved on when you see a report on your map but no cars around.
      - duxup 11mo ago
        Naw if I got repeated reports and nobody there, over time I'd be suspicious.
- was8309 11mo ago
  I think police may not mind Waze, they may care more about drivers that are truly dangerous and are fine with filtering out hose that are signalling that they are paying attention and showing respect by slowing down when police are present
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RajT88 11mo ago

> This sets a dangerous precedent Quite a lot of things this statement applies to lately.

lovich 11mo ago

> This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really It’s only a dangerous precedent if you believe your opponents will ever gain power. If you believe your political opponents will never have power again, then who cares about precedent?

pigeons 11mo ago
Well, still dangerous for the people its used against.
- lostlogin 11mo ago
  Missing this point is alarming.
  - hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
    It’s possible loveich does not morally agree with their own post, but are providing it as an opposing view.
    - potato3732842 11mo ago
      I think his post is meant to be interpreted about like holding up a mirror in response to "who done this?".
degamad 11mo ago
> if you believe your opponents will ever gain power. Or are already in power.
potato3732842 11mo ago
>It’s only a dangerous precedent if you believe your opponents will ever gain power. If you believe your political opponents will never have power again, then who cares about precedent? And that kind of thinking in years past is EXACTLY why we're here annoyed by dozens of organizations having and using power they probably ought not to.

lostlogin 11mo ago

> This sets a dangerous precedent This is a dangerous president.

potato3732842 11mo ago
But never mind all those incremental precedents we helped set along the way. /s It's a staircase, not a cliff.

dragonwriter 11mo ago

Both that removal and Google's removal of other ICE tracking apps on the basis that a government paramilitary enforcement force (much less one involved in executing an ethnic cleansing) constituted a “vulnerable group” goes beyond “dangerous precedent”, a description which implies that an act is not harmful in itself but only in what it may normalize down the road.

charcircuit 11mo ago

I think they are different in that: 1. People are not harassing traffic enforcement, like they are harassing immigration enforcement. 2. Waze's information incentivizes people to follow traffic laws more deligently than they would which results in safer driving conditions for other people driving. ICEBlock did not have the benefit of making people follow immigration law better, or turn themselves in faster.

throwawayqqq11 11mo ago
Avoiding traffic controls is no solution to reckless driving. Like surveilance cameras, they only move the crime elsewhere. What you need is a gapless panopticon so that every suspect feels like being at the verge of getting caught, to enforce eg. traffic laws. ICE does not target criminal behavior though. They literally disappear people based on appearance and any criminal record. Such a panopticon is an entirely different beast.
- Yeul 11mo ago
  It really is that bad. They put illegal immigrants on military transport planes to South Sudan. And how are those poor people supposed to get back home?
saubeidl 11mo ago
Immigrants with no criminal record now largest group in ICE detention: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-criminal-record-ice-detention https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c... ICE Agents Rappel from Helicopter in Overnight Chicago Raid, Dragging Kids from Beds to U-Hauls: https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-11823082 https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-1182308... Feds detain WGN-TV staffer, slam into resident’s car in Lincoln Square: https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arrest-wgn-staffer-slam-into-residents-car-in-lincoln-square https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arr... We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days: https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-... Videos of violent ICE interactions flood social media: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-video-arrests-trump-immigration-crackdown-rcna237373 https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-... This is not "immigration enforcement". It's paramilitary thugs beating up and disappearing political opponents. The closest equivalent would be the SA.

stinkbeetle 11mo ago

What an astounding and completely unforeseeable surprise, the old "they're a private company, they can do what they want [and if they are pressured by the government through back-channels and veiled threats, that's fine too]" is coming back around. Never thought that would happen ever.

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deaux 11mo ago

> This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really This is selective enforcement of ToS? It's like saying "pardoning a human trafficker sets a dangerous precedent for pardoning human traffickers".

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ab5tract 11mo ago
Yes, this is what we do say when human traffickers are pardoned.
jbstack 11mo ago
How can you set a precedent for doing something without doing that thing? Here's a dictionary definition for precedent: "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances."

pjc50 11mo ago

The real precedent for this is the removal of the drone strikes tracker app on the grounds that it was "political". https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approved-app-tracks-190526029.html https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approv... Which predates Trump and was happening under the Obama presidency. The real lesson there is that the application of the Jack Bauer principle ("good guys" are allowed to freely torture and murder "bad guys" without legal process) would eventually leak back into the mainland US. The same excuse - the concept that foreigners do not have rights - enables ICE to be incredibly abusive. And of course citizenship then becomes something that can be taken away by such a trivial matter as a cop deciding to throw away your ID. You might be able to prove you're a citizen if you had due process, but now you're a noncitizen you're not entitled to that.

jfim 11mo ago

> This sets a dangerous precedent for selective enforcement of ToS really Companies can enforce their terms of service as they see fit, including enforcing them selectively or not at all, with very few limitations. They're not bound by precedent as courts would be, nor do they need to be fair.

Anonbrit 11mo ago
Should that be true for a monopoly service though? I don't believe it's true for water, electricity companies. It's not tried for health insurance companies under the ACA. Are we teaching the point where technology should be treated similarly?
matthewdgreen 11mo ago
Leaving aside the obvious governmental influence in this “private company’s decision”, we, as a democratic society, have the right to decide when and if the two major smartphone OS makers have the right to ban apps. We even have the right to decide whether those exclusive app stores should exist. Whatever I thought about this matter before, my feelings are different after this decision.
- vorpalhex 11mo ago
  Do we, a democratic society, have a right to pick your breakfast? Can we force you into a career? Can we force you to right a book? What if you work with a few people? Can we compel you to right a book then? What if you work with a lot of people, a few thousand? Can we make you write a book in that case?
  - ThrowMeAway1618 11mo ago
    >Do we, a democratic society, have a right to pick your breakfast? Well, you can pick your friends. And you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your friend's nose. In a democratic society, that is.
  - sixothree 11mo ago

shantara 11mo ago

Apple removed the apps used by Hong Kong protesters on Chinese government’s request. It’s way past the point of pretending that this situation is somehow unforeseen. Two private companies have inexcusable control over what the entire population can do with their devices

potato3732842 11mo ago
I want to believe that the top level comment is satire that perfectly threaded the needle and is indistinguishable from the morons it's ridiculing.
- deleted 11mo ago
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duxup 11mo ago

Every time I report a speed trap I wonder how long it will be until that feature is removed.

port11 11mo ago
I think in Europe speed traps have to be signalled beforehand? I'm not sure if that's the case everywhere but the signs are usually there, so perhaps that's why such a feature is allowed to exist.
jrs235 11mo ago
They'll leave it on the UI, it just won't actually do anything. People will mostly be none the wiser.
- duxup 11mo ago
  I'd notice over time when if never got any speed trap notifications anymore.
  - jrs235 11mo ago
    They'll just report speed traps 30 minutes after no reports for the previous 30 minutes. Then you'll think you were one of the first to come up on them when you see them on the side of the road and think they moved on when you see a report on your map but no cars around.
    - duxup 11mo ago
      Naw if I got repeated reports and nobody there, over time I'd be suspicious.
was8309 11mo ago
I think police may not mind Waze, they may care more about drivers that are truly dangerous and are fine with filtering out hose that are signalling that they are paying attention and showing respect by slowing down when police are present

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