7 ms·

Is that out of line with similar offenses in Denmark?

hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
I’m not sure how punishments are calculated, but surely a former politician pedophile remains dangerous - even if they don’t abuse children directly they will have residual power that they can use to harm children. Or maybe the low sentence is because of his existing power.
- tokai 11mo ago
  Its just not that illegal in Denmark. Something I would think minister of justice Hummelgaard should spend his time working on first, before pushing mass surveillance at the european level.
burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
The judge noted that given the publicity of the case, Henriks true penalty would be living in a country of 6 million people that all know his face and that he is a pedophile. You don’t have to worry about him doing anything in Politics again. This isn’t the US after all…
- mrweasel 11mo ago
  Last I read he's leaving the country and moving to Portugal.
  - burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
    Being exiled is pretty rough, though the weather is better
- whimsicalism 11mo ago
  No one with evidence of that quality would ever be elected in national politics in the US again. Say what you will about Trump but there is no evidence that he possesses CP. Moreover, nobody with that quality of evidence against them would be sentenced to only 4 months - laxity for CSAM possessors is a european phenomenon and most pro-pedophilia activist groups are based in Europe. The average sentence for CSAM possession in the US is 70 months.
  - Jensson 11mo ago
    US also has the highest rate of imprisoned people in the world, I wouldn't follow them on sentencing. If revictivism is lower for short sentences then there is no reason to have long sentences, it isn't about punishing people it is about reducing problems for the rest of society.
    - whimsicalism 11mo ago
      i agree with you on that, merely thought the suggestion that the US is somehow more permissive of pedophilia to be absurd.
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- ashf023 11mo ago
  What an absolutely absurd statement
  - burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
    care to clarify?
    - ashf023 11mo ago
      > Henriks true penalty would be living in a country of 6 million people that all know his face and that he is a pedophile. This is what I object to, not really your comment. Is this factored into the sentencing? If he weren't a public figure would he have a harsher sentence? > You don’t have to worry about him doing anything in Politics again Sure, if everyone in Denmark remembers this guy then he won't be popular. But really we don't have to worry about him? 4 months later is he just free to go back to collecting CP, maybe leave Denmark, etc?
      - burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
        goalpost moved.
port11 11mo ago
Directive 2011/92/EU article 5.2 would suggest no less than 1 year of imprisonment. Depending on how kindly you read the other articles, and given how much pornography instances he had, I'd argue for more.
- giobox 11mo ago
  I'm slightly confused here; the EU Directive you are listing has absolutely no bearing on this discussion or the case at all? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2011/92/oj/eng https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2011/92/oj/eng Article 5.2 concerns environmental impact assessments? Even ignoring all this, Directives do not themselves automatically become enforceable in member State's legal systems either - "Regulations" do, and this is not one, the trial will be conducted subject to Danish criminal law. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union)
  - port11 11mo ago
    Hmm… “DIRECTIVE 2011/92/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 13 December 2011, on combating the sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children and child pornography, and replacing Council Framework Decision 2004/68/JHA” I wonder if made a mistake, but that's the one I had open. I understand it doesn't impose specific penal choices, but I still think the punishment was fairly lenient.

I’m not sure how punishments are calculated, but surely a former politician pedophile remains dangerous - even if they don’t abuse children directly they will have residual power that they can use to harm children. Or maybe the low sentence is because of his existing power.

tokai 11mo ago
Its just not that illegal in Denmark. Something I would think minister of justice Hummelgaard should spend his time working on first, before pushing mass surveillance at the european level.

burnerzzzzz 11mo ago

The judge noted that given the publicity of the case, Henriks true penalty would be living in a country of 6 million people that all know his face and that he is a pedophile. You don’t have to worry about him doing anything in Politics again. This isn’t the US after all…

mrweasel 11mo ago
Last I read he's leaving the country and moving to Portugal.
- burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
  Being exiled is pretty rough, though the weather is better
whimsicalism 11mo ago
No one with evidence of that quality would ever be elected in national politics in the US again. Say what you will about Trump but there is no evidence that he possesses CP. Moreover, nobody with that quality of evidence against them would be sentenced to only 4 months - laxity for CSAM possessors is a european phenomenon and most pro-pedophilia activist groups are based in Europe. The average sentence for CSAM possession in the US is 70 months.
- Jensson 11mo ago
  US also has the highest rate of imprisoned people in the world, I wouldn't follow them on sentencing. If revictivism is lower for short sentences then there is no reason to have long sentences, it isn't about punishing people it is about reducing problems for the rest of society.
  - whimsicalism 11mo ago
    i agree with you on that, merely thought the suggestion that the US is somehow more permissive of pedophilia to be absurd.
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ashf023 11mo ago
What an absolutely absurd statement
- burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
  care to clarify?
  - ashf023 11mo ago
    > Henriks true penalty would be living in a country of 6 million people that all know his face and that he is a pedophile. This is what I object to, not really your comment. Is this factored into the sentencing? If he weren't a public figure would he have a harsher sentence? > You don’t have to worry about him doing anything in Politics again Sure, if everyone in Denmark remembers this guy then he won't be popular. But really we don't have to worry about him? 4 months later is he just free to go back to collecting CP, maybe leave Denmark, etc?
    - burnerzzzzz 11mo ago
      goalpost moved.

port11 11mo ago

Directive 2011/92/EU article 5.2 would suggest no less than 1 year of imprisonment. Depending on how kindly you read the other articles, and given how much pornography instances he had, I'd argue for more.

giobox 11mo ago
I'm slightly confused here; the EU Directive you are listing has absolutely no bearing on this discussion or the case at all? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2011/92/oj/eng https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2011/92/oj/eng Article 5.2 concerns environmental impact assessments? Even ignoring all this, Directives do not themselves automatically become enforceable in member State's legal systems either - "Regulations" do, and this is not one, the trial will be conducted subject to Danish criminal law. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union)
- port11 11mo ago
  Hmm… “DIRECTIVE 2011/92/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 13 December 2011, on combating the sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children and child pornography, and replacing Council Framework Decision 2004/68/JHA” I wonder if made a mistake, but that's the one I had open. I understand it doesn't impose specific penal choices, but I still think the punishment was fairly lenient.