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Doing a pro graphic design treatment is lot more than just "drawing a few pictures," and picking a color palette. It usually involves developing a design langu

Doing a pro graphic design treatment is lot more than just "drawing a few pictures," and picking a color palette. It usually involves developing a design language for the app, or sometimes, for the whole organization (if, like the one I do a lot of work for, it's really all about one app). That's a big deal. Logo design is also a much more difficult task than people think. A good logo can be insanely valuable. The one we use for the app I've done a lot of work on, was a quick "one-off," by a guy who ended up running design for a major software house. It was a princely gift.

Dylan16807 1y ago
> Doing a pro graphic design treatment is lot more than just "drawing a few pictures," and picking a color palette. Are you quoting someone? Yeah it's a real job, and so is programming. I don't think anyone in this conversation is being dismissive about either job.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  You'd be surprised, then, to know that a lot of programmers think graphic design is easy (see the other comment, in this thread), and can often be quite dismissive of the vocation. As a programmer, working with a good graphic designer can be very frustrating, as they can demand that I make changes that seem ridiculous, to me, but, after the product ships, makes all the difference. I've never actually gotten used to it. That's also why it's so difficult to get a "full monty" treatment, from a designer, donating their time.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    > see the other comment Which other comment? If you mean the one saying it's not harder than programming, that's not calling it easy.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
      It can be a lot harder. Programming, these days, isn't always that hard. Very different skillset. There was a comment about how ghastly a lot of software-developed graphical assets can be. Tasteful creativity does not grow on trees.
      - Dylan16807 1y ago
        "can be" makes it a very different statement. Either one "can be" a lot harder than the other, depending on the task. The statement above is about typical difficulty. And even if they're wrong about which one is typically harder, they weren't saying it was easy, and weren't saying it was significantly easier than programming.
      - galagawinkle489 1y ago
        Programming well requires taste and creativity. A different type, but no less rare than taste and creativity in "arty" fields.
        ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
        Exactly. It's amazing how we, as programmers, can demand that others recognize that, for us, but we, ourselves, refuse to give the same respect, in regards to other fields. The same can be said for any vocation that generates a product. An expertly-crafted duck decoy can have the same level of experience and skill, as a database abstraction. I have had the privilege to work with some of the top creatives, as well as scientists and engineers, in the world, and have seen the difference.
prepend 1y ago
Programming is a big deal too. It’s not like graphic design is harder than programming. I’d rather have crappy graphics than pay designers instead of programmers for free oss.
aleph_minus_one 1y ago
> It usually involves developing a design language for the app, or sometimes, for the whole organization (if, like the one I do a lot of work for, it's really all about one app). That's a big deal. > Logo design is also a much more difficult task than people think. A good logo can be insanely valuable. The one we use for the app I've done a lot of work on, was a quick "one-off," by a guy who ended up running design for a major software house. It was a princely gift. A lot of developers also tend to invest quite an insane amount of work into their preferred open-source project and they do know how complicated their work is, and also how insane the value is that they provide for free. So, where is the difference?
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  There isn't any. That's my point.

Dylan16807 1y ago

> Doing a pro graphic design treatment is lot more than just "drawing a few pictures," and picking a color palette. Are you quoting someone? Yeah it's a real job, and so is programming. I don't think anyone in this conversation is being dismissive about either job.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
You'd be surprised, then, to know that a lot of programmers think graphic design is easy (see the other comment, in this thread), and can often be quite dismissive of the vocation. As a programmer, working with a good graphic designer can be very frustrating, as they can demand that I make changes that seem ridiculous, to me, but, after the product ships, makes all the difference. I've never actually gotten used to it. That's also why it's so difficult to get a "full monty" treatment, from a designer, donating their time.
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  > see the other comment Which other comment? If you mean the one saying it's not harder than programming, that's not calling it easy.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
    It can be a lot harder. Programming, these days, isn't always that hard. Very different skillset. There was a comment about how ghastly a lot of software-developed graphical assets can be. Tasteful creativity does not grow on trees.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      "can be" makes it a very different statement. Either one "can be" a lot harder than the other, depending on the task. The statement above is about typical difficulty. And even if they're wrong about which one is typically harder, they weren't saying it was easy, and weren't saying it was significantly easier than programming.
    - galagawinkle489 1y ago
      Programming well requires taste and creativity. A different type, but no less rare than taste and creativity in "arty" fields.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
        Exactly. It's amazing how we, as programmers, can demand that others recognize that, for us, but we, ourselves, refuse to give the same respect, in regards to other fields. The same can be said for any vocation that generates a product. An expertly-crafted duck decoy can have the same level of experience and skill, as a database abstraction. I have had the privilege to work with some of the top creatives, as well as scientists and engineers, in the world, and have seen the difference.

prepend 1y ago

Programming is a big deal too. It’s not like graphic design is harder than programming. I’d rather have crappy graphics than pay designers instead of programmers for free oss.

aleph_minus_one 1y ago

> It usually involves developing a design language for the app, or sometimes, for the whole organization (if, like the one I do a lot of work for, it's really all about one app). That's a big deal. > Logo design is also a much more difficult task than people think. A good logo can be insanely valuable. The one we use for the app I've done a lot of work on, was a quick "one-off," by a guy who ended up running design for a major software house. It was a princely gift. A lot of developers also tend to invest quite an insane amount of work into their preferred open-source project and they do know how complicated their work is, and also how insane the value is that they provide for free. So, where is the difference?

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
There isn't any. That's my point.