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Musk is a nogo poisoned brand in Europe... that damage his needless psychotic attacks have done won't be forgotten anytime soon. I'd happily buy chinese car ins

Musk is a nogo poisoned brand in Europe... that damage his needless psychotic attacks have done won't be forgotten anytime soon. I'd happily buy chinese car instead of tesla just because of above, if prices were same. But they are far from same, and seeing their progress they may soon be better products overall.

lenerdenator 1y ago
> Musk is a nogo poisoned brand in Europe... that damage his needless psychotic attacks have done won't be forgotten anytime soon. I'd happily buy chinese car instead of tesla just because of above, if prices were same. But they are far from same, and seeing their progress they may soon be better products overall. This more-or-less summarizes American geopolitical and economic attitudes towards China from 1970 until 2016. "Sure, they're problematic, but so are we, and their product is cheaper, so..."
- ben_w 1y ago
  "The product is cheaper" is why combustion engines were dominant over batteries and renewables for so long, and also why they're now being displaced so rapidly by them.
  - WheatMillington 1y ago
    Batteries were not a viable technology for a variety of reasons until recently. Cost is only one of a number of show-stopping problems with battery technology before circa 20 years ago.
    - jonway 1y ago
      Electric cars were quite popular in the early history of automobiles. It wasn’t until internal combustion development proceeded (mechanical, and resource discovery) that the economics and value proposition flipped. All the show-stopping problems you mentioned applied to internal combustion before. Unless electrical generation gets less efficient somehow, the economics are trending back.
- mmooss 1y ago
  > This more-or-less summarizes American geopolitical and economic attitudes towards China from 1970 until 2016. That is misleading. First, China wasn't economically productive in 1970, during the Cultural Revolution. It wasn't until the 1990s that things began to subtantially improve, and then take off in the 2000s. Also, they weren't so problematic - they were a good trading partner, and they were democratizing slowly: They had with a major setback in 1989, but were improving until Xi took over. Under Xi, it took a few years to see what would happen, which trends were temporary and which were long-term problems; which could be reversed and which would only get worse. I think the problem calcified, in large part, because the US abandoned universal human rights in large part. If the US doesn't advocate that, who will? How can people in China say that freedom is a right and democracy superior if the US doesn't.
DaSHacka 1y ago
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noir_lord 1y ago
Same, if it was a choice between American and Chinese - then Chinese but realistically we also have other options as well. I wouldn't drive a Tesla if it was free, I'd just sell it for whatever - that brand is torched for me.
jimbokun 1y ago
No shit, but he didn’t have to do those things. He had Tesla in a great position and decided to eradicate any goodwill they had accumulated.
- WheatMillington 1y ago
  If anyone is the public embodiment of the damage social media can do, it's Musk.
  - jimbokun 1y ago
    Dealer getting hooked on his own supply.

lenerdenator 1y ago

> Musk is a nogo poisoned brand in Europe... that damage his needless psychotic attacks have done won't be forgotten anytime soon. I'd happily buy chinese car instead of tesla just because of above, if prices were same. But they are far from same, and seeing their progress they may soon be better products overall. This more-or-less summarizes American geopolitical and economic attitudes towards China from 1970 until 2016. "Sure, they're problematic, but so are we, and their product is cheaper, so..."

ben_w 1y ago
"The product is cheaper" is why combustion engines were dominant over batteries and renewables for so long, and also why they're now being displaced so rapidly by them.
- WheatMillington 1y ago
  Batteries were not a viable technology for a variety of reasons until recently. Cost is only one of a number of show-stopping problems with battery technology before circa 20 years ago.
  - jonway 1y ago
    Electric cars were quite popular in the early history of automobiles. It wasn’t until internal combustion development proceeded (mechanical, and resource discovery) that the economics and value proposition flipped. All the show-stopping problems you mentioned applied to internal combustion before. Unless electrical generation gets less efficient somehow, the economics are trending back.
mmooss 1y ago
> This more-or-less summarizes American geopolitical and economic attitudes towards China from 1970 until 2016. That is misleading. First, China wasn't economically productive in 1970, during the Cultural Revolution. It wasn't until the 1990s that things began to subtantially improve, and then take off in the 2000s. Also, they weren't so problematic - they were a good trading partner, and they were democratizing slowly: They had with a major setback in 1989, but were improving until Xi took over. Under Xi, it took a few years to see what would happen, which trends were temporary and which were long-term problems; which could be reversed and which would only get worse. I think the problem calcified, in large part, because the US abandoned universal human rights in large part. If the US doesn't advocate that, who will? How can people in China say that freedom is a right and democracy superior if the US doesn't.

DaSHacka 1y ago

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noir_lord 1y ago

Same, if it was a choice between American and Chinese - then Chinese but realistically we also have other options as well. I wouldn't drive a Tesla if it was free, I'd just sell it for whatever - that brand is torched for me.

jimbokun 1y ago

No shit, but he didn’t have to do those things. He had Tesla in a great position and decided to eradicate any goodwill they had accumulated.

WheatMillington 1y ago
If anyone is the public embodiment of the damage social media can do, it's Musk.
- jimbokun 1y ago
  Dealer getting hooked on his own supply.