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This (updates of any kind) is 25% of why my Galaxy is sitting in my sock drawer (75% being the cost of the data plan and "being a hotspot" fee). I discovered t

by antidoh 14y ago

This (updates of any kind) is 25% of why my Galaxy is sitting in my sock drawer (75% being the cost of the data plan and "being a hotspot" fee). I discovered that I bought a computer that cannot be updated except by the whim of an intermediary, the telco. I watched for a year while my phone languished under its originally installed version of Android, while the update rolled out around the world and my carrier (Sprint) said "no shit really, soon, real soon now." That's too much bullshit for too much money.

mrich 14y ago
What is your alternative?
- josephlord 14y ago
  Phone OS has direct ability to query the manufacturer for updates and download them if available/requested by the user. Works for Apple. (Until iOS 5 download to PC and install with iTunes was required but now phone can directly download.) Works for Sony TVs (and probably many others too) that are connected to the internet. Broadcast (with digital TV at least in Europe) can also be used to update OTA but may need broadcaster approval. In this scenario using both approaches makes sense as not every TV is connected to the internet or broadcast signals. A better question is how to make it happen. I would suggest that Samsung is big enough and their phones high profile enough that they should be able to insist and still have their phones offered by the operators. However they would need to consider it an important point worth arguing for and may have to trade something else whether it is price or customization support or something else.
  - mrich 14y ago
    That solves your update problem. But you are still under control of a central entity that has its own interests and tightly controls their ecosystem and the apps you can install on the product you bought. You have replaced your carrier with the hardware manufacturer. A better alternative would be to buy your smartphone without contract to begin with, which comes down to the same price very often.
    - josephlord 14y ago
      For most users it is the update problem that I'm concerned about, particularly from a security point of view. The contract is completely irrelevant to this issue isn't it? An iPhone on contract is completely updatable, I don't know if it is relevant with Samsung's phones or not. Even if non-contract Samsung's are updatable that makes advice to friends/family even more complicated. The freedom problem is an issue with all the mainstream phones on the market but isn't a problem for most users. The solutions with the current market products are jailbreaking/rooting or joining developer programmes. In the Apple case developer programme costs $99 and additional agreements (in practice you need a Mac too). Or using a web app to get round the limitations. There real solution will be when there is a real open source open platform on the market. And personally I wouldn't sacrifice much performance/capability to get it although the option would be nice.
- antidoh 14y ago
  A simple phone with voice, text and a camera. I have the internet at home, I haven't missed it in my pocket in the two years since I've ditched my Galaxy.
juliano_q 14y ago
Yes, it is pretty bad. But it is quite easy to update your phone using Odin. It is no excuse, obviously the right way would be to receive it on a timely manner, but if you can update yourself in like 30 minutes I see no reason to wait for a year.

by antidoh 14y ago

mrich 14y ago

What is your alternative?

josephlord 14y ago
Phone OS has direct ability to query the manufacturer for updates and download them if available/requested by the user. Works for Apple. (Until iOS 5 download to PC and install with iTunes was required but now phone can directly download.) Works for Sony TVs (and probably many others too) that are connected to the internet. Broadcast (with digital TV at least in Europe) can also be used to update OTA but may need broadcaster approval. In this scenario using both approaches makes sense as not every TV is connected to the internet or broadcast signals. A better question is how to make it happen. I would suggest that Samsung is big enough and their phones high profile enough that they should be able to insist and still have their phones offered by the operators. However they would need to consider it an important point worth arguing for and may have to trade something else whether it is price or customization support or something else.
- mrich 14y ago
  That solves your update problem. But you are still under control of a central entity that has its own interests and tightly controls their ecosystem and the apps you can install on the product you bought. You have replaced your carrier with the hardware manufacturer. A better alternative would be to buy your smartphone without contract to begin with, which comes down to the same price very often.
  - josephlord 14y ago
    For most users it is the update problem that I'm concerned about, particularly from a security point of view. The contract is completely irrelevant to this issue isn't it? An iPhone on contract is completely updatable, I don't know if it is relevant with Samsung's phones or not. Even if non-contract Samsung's are updatable that makes advice to friends/family even more complicated. The freedom problem is an issue with all the mainstream phones on the market but isn't a problem for most users. The solutions with the current market products are jailbreaking/rooting or joining developer programmes. In the Apple case developer programme costs $99 and additional agreements (in practice you need a Mac too). Or using a web app to get round the limitations. There real solution will be when there is a real open source open platform on the market. And personally I wouldn't sacrifice much performance/capability to get it although the option would be nice.
antidoh 14y ago
A simple phone with voice, text and a camera. I have the internet at home, I haven't missed it in my pocket in the two years since I've ditched my Galaxy.

juliano_q 14y ago

Yes, it is pretty bad. But it is quite easy to update your phone using Odin. It is no excuse, obviously the right way would be to receive it on a timely manner, but if you can update yourself in like 30 minutes I see no reason to wait for a year.