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I wonder if that's got lost in translation somewhere. I can understand not having on-call operations teams (an anti-pattern) but not having anyone on call at an

I wonder if that's got lost in translation somewhere. I can understand not having on-call operations teams (an anti-pattern) but not having anyone on call at any time seems unlikely. Unless they mean to say its part of all devs job expectations and not a paid extra.

veidr 1y ago
I don't want to imply Bending Spoons is this awesome, as I know nothing much about them (except that they named their company after a weird scam, lol), but there's a pretty reasonable principle that might apply here: If our service goes down for any reason, uh... wait until Monday afternoon, then try again. (Sorry!) Like, who would die if AOL was down for 36 hours?
- mikeyouse 1y ago
  I think they’re actually named after the scene in the matrix where the little kid (and then Neo) can bend the spoon with their mind.
  - veidr 1y ago
    Oh! LOL that's admittedly cooler than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller
    - NetOpWibby 1y ago
      I've heard this name on the radio in GTA2 for years but I never looked up the name. Fascinating.
- RajT88 1y ago
  Considering AOL's business model was to keep old folks paying for dialup, and once they moved off of dialup continue paying for access to the AOL portal, a good chunk of their user base may already be dead and still being billed.
Barrin92 1y ago
>but not having anyone on call at any time seems unlikely. Bending Spoons is Milan based and most of Europe has very strong right-to-disconnect laws. It's not really uncommon here to not have anyone on call unless you're some big multinational.
- luismedel 1y ago
  All companies I've worked at had (paid) on-call set up. The right to disconnect isn't incompatible with business needs and the law contemplates it. Also, nurses and doctors do it too.
  - everfrustrated 1y ago
    Yeah that law is really about not taking advantage of low paid-by-the-hour employees vs high paid salaried. But give people any excuse and they'll run with it. In the UK custom has always been to require a standard opt-out to be signed as part of hiring process.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  On calls are also the norm in Europe. We get time and money compensation for that.

veidr 1y ago

I don't want to imply Bending Spoons is this awesome, as I know nothing much about them (except that they named their company after a weird scam, lol), but there's a pretty reasonable principle that might apply here: If our service goes down for any reason, uh... wait until Monday afternoon, then try again. (Sorry!) Like, who would die if AOL was down for 36 hours?

mikeyouse 1y ago
I think they’re actually named after the scene in the matrix where the little kid (and then Neo) can bend the spoon with their mind.
- veidr 1y ago
  Oh! LOL that's admittedly cooler than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller
  - NetOpWibby 1y ago
    I've heard this name on the radio in GTA2 for years but I never looked up the name. Fascinating.
RajT88 1y ago
Considering AOL's business model was to keep old folks paying for dialup, and once they moved off of dialup continue paying for access to the AOL portal, a good chunk of their user base may already be dead and still being billed.

Barrin92 1y ago

>but not having anyone on call at any time seems unlikely. Bending Spoons is Milan based and most of Europe has very strong right-to-disconnect laws. It's not really uncommon here to not have anyone on call unless you're some big multinational.

luismedel 1y ago
All companies I've worked at had (paid) on-call set up. The right to disconnect isn't incompatible with business needs and the law contemplates it. Also, nurses and doctors do it too.
- everfrustrated 1y ago
  Yeah that law is really about not taking advantage of low paid-by-the-hour employees vs high paid salaried. But give people any excuse and they'll run with it. In the UK custom has always been to require a standard opt-out to be signed as part of hiring process.
prmoustache 1y ago
On calls are also the norm in Europe. We get time and money compensation for that.