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"Guns don't kill people..."

by changadera 11mo ago

Cthulhu_ 11mo ago
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vaylian 11mo ago
Kitchen knives do
bognition 11mo ago
Not sure if you’re being coy or pushing the trope but you’re right guns don’t actually kill people. The bullets and blood loss tend to do that. That said, denying people access to guns does result in fewer gun related fatalities.
- loloquwowndueo 11mo ago
  The fall didn’t kill him, it was the landing.
  - abc123abc123 11mo ago
    The landing didn't kill him, it was the impact.
    - latexr 11mo ago
      The impact didn’t kill him, it was the organ failure and blood loss.
      - loloquwowndueo 11mo ago
        Blood loss didn’t kill him, ischemia did?
- abc123abc123 11mo ago
  But note that this is deeply unethical and amounts to denying people the right to self-defense, and by extension, denying people the right to freedom. The only thing that happens when guns are denied is the rise of corrupt and totalitarian politicians, and that the common man is either oppressed by them or by criminal gangs. Enter guns, and the common man can defend himself against both, which is a blessing. Thankfully it is now possible to print your own guns and build one easily, so this will become less of an issue in the future, when everyone, if they want, can carry concealed guns.
  - freejazz 11mo ago
    > the rise of corrupt and totalitarian politicians Doesn't seem to track in the US
  - mmooss 11mo ago
    Could you provide some examples of these things actually happening? Many of the most stable, most free, least corrupt countries have strict gun laws.
  - egypturnash 11mo ago
    I live in a country with an aggressive gun lobby, and a ludicrously corrupt government that wants to create a fascist ethnostate. The gun nuts are largely on the side of the fascist ethnostate. I don’t think guns are the perfect defenders of freedom you think they are.
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Rebuff5007 11mo ago
I like this response to poke a hole in the parent comment, but it is worth noting that smartphones and guns are different in a pretty massive way: Smartphones can be useful and valuable in many ways separate from the ways they can be used harmfully. Guns exist only for physical violence (or to threaten physical violence).
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 11mo ago
  > Guns exist only for physical violence Skeet shooting? Targets? Most gun owners never kill anything.
  - AlecSchueler 11mo ago
    Those are both acts of physical violence, just not against living creatures.
    - swiftcoder 11mo ago
      That's a pretty extreme stance. If shooting inanimate clay pots is violence, wouldn't baseball also constitute violence?
      - AlecSchueler 11mo ago
        When I search a definition I get three results: 1. Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury. In the case of the shooting examples the idea is to destroy the clay pots or damage the target. Baseball isn't quite on that level. I'm not sure what a gun can be aimed at without intent to damage it. 2. Intense force or great power, as in natural phenomena. A gunshot definitely feels like an intense force. You could argue it for a strike from a baseball bat but it's quite relative and of course you can strike gently much more easily than you can shoot gently.
        timschmidt 11mo ago
        > In the case of the shooting examples the idea is to destroy the clay pots or damage the target. Baseball isn't quite on that level. I'm not sure what a gun can be aimed at without intent to damage it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Hunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Hunt 1984. The point of clay target shooting isn't to destroy something, it's to build a skill and test yourself against an impartial system. That's what Duck Hunt captures and what made it popular. It's why shooting is a sport in the olympics. Plenty of social reasons too, beyond hunting and self-defense, it can serve comradery and grounding. Some folks practice archery. Some folks fish. Some folks practice martial arts which they hope never to have to use in anger, but which they find calming, centering, and empowering.
blitzar 11mo ago
"rappers do ..."
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"Guns don't kill people..."

Cthulhu_ 11mo ago

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vaylian 11mo ago

Kitchen knives do

bognition 11mo ago

Not sure if you’re being coy or pushing the trope but you’re right guns don’t actually kill people. The bullets and blood loss tend to do that. That said, denying people access to guns does result in fewer gun related fatalities.

loloquwowndueo 11mo ago
The fall didn’t kill him, it was the landing.
- abc123abc123 11mo ago
  The landing didn't kill him, it was the impact.
  - latexr 11mo ago
    The impact didn’t kill him, it was the organ failure and blood loss.
    - loloquwowndueo 11mo ago
      Blood loss didn’t kill him, ischemia did?
abc123abc123 11mo ago
But note that this is deeply unethical and amounts to denying people the right to self-defense, and by extension, denying people the right to freedom. The only thing that happens when guns are denied is the rise of corrupt and totalitarian politicians, and that the common man is either oppressed by them or by criminal gangs. Enter guns, and the common man can defend himself against both, which is a blessing. Thankfully it is now possible to print your own guns and build one easily, so this will become less of an issue in the future, when everyone, if they want, can carry concealed guns.
- freejazz 11mo ago
  > the rise of corrupt and totalitarian politicians Doesn't seem to track in the US
- mmooss 11mo ago
  Could you provide some examples of these things actually happening? Many of the most stable, most free, least corrupt countries have strict gun laws.
- egypturnash 11mo ago
  I live in a country with an aggressive gun lobby, and a ludicrously corrupt government that wants to create a fascist ethnostate. The gun nuts are largely on the side of the fascist ethnostate. I don’t think guns are the perfect defenders of freedom you think they are.
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Rebuff5007 11mo ago

I like this response to poke a hole in the parent comment, but it is worth noting that smartphones and guns are different in a pretty massive way: Smartphones can be useful and valuable in many ways separate from the ways they can be used harmfully. Guns exist only for physical violence (or to threaten physical violence).

2OEH8eoCRo0 11mo ago
> Guns exist only for physical violence Skeet shooting? Targets? Most gun owners never kill anything.
- AlecSchueler 11mo ago
  Those are both acts of physical violence, just not against living creatures.
  - swiftcoder 11mo ago
    That's a pretty extreme stance. If shooting inanimate clay pots is violence, wouldn't baseball also constitute violence?
    - AlecSchueler 11mo ago
      When I search a definition I get three results: 1. Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury. In the case of the shooting examples the idea is to destroy the clay pots or damage the target. Baseball isn't quite on that level. I'm not sure what a gun can be aimed at without intent to damage it. 2. Intense force or great power, as in natural phenomena. A gunshot definitely feels like an intense force. You could argue it for a strike from a baseball bat but it's quite relative and of course you can strike gently much more easily than you can shoot gently.
      - timschmidt 11mo ago
        > In the case of the shooting examples the idea is to destroy the clay pots or damage the target. Baseball isn't quite on that level. I'm not sure what a gun can be aimed at without intent to damage it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Hunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Hunt 1984. The point of clay target shooting isn't to destroy something, it's to build a skill and test yourself against an impartial system. That's what Duck Hunt captures and what made it popular. It's why shooting is a sport in the olympics. Plenty of social reasons too, beyond hunting and self-defense, it can serve comradery and grounding. Some folks practice archery. Some folks fish. Some folks practice martial arts which they hope never to have to use in anger, but which they find calming, centering, and empowering.

blitzar 11mo ago

"rappers do ..."

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