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So you propose we stop shifting the clock but shift every opening and closing times instead producing exactly the same effect with basically no difference. And

So you propose we stop shifting the clock but shift every opening and closing times instead producing exactly the same effect with basically no difference. And you want to abolish DST but the end of your comment is that you actually want even more shift including in winter. I fear I have trouble following your reasoning and understanding what you actually want.

butlike 1y ago
There's more clocks than storefronts
xigoi 1y ago
If I’m reading the parent correctly, they Want to switch to non-summer time and adjust opening hours to be effectively like summer time, forever.
- hsbauauvhabzb 1y ago
  I wonder what the earliest sunrise time would be as a result, 2am?
  - jakewins 1y ago
    The earliest sunrise is that the sun does not set, which happens every summer for all the cities and towns north of the polar circle
- ASalazarMX 1y ago
  I think PC is proposing using the natural time zone, and adjusting hours if you need sunlight to operate. Summer time is awful because different latitudes have different hours of sunlight, yet all are forced to the least common denominator. Cities closer to the poles might want to adjust more than one hour, or none at all since they see little sunlight for months anyway. Cities near the equator might not need to adjust at all. Businesses that need to be synchronized could still coordinate their operating hours. It's the most natural approach is DST had never existed.
cameldrv 1y ago
Yes shift the opening and closing times of everything. Get everyone to coordinate, so that your kids' school time doesn't shift relative to when you need to be at work, not to mention everything else where two different organizations have to do something that regularly happens at a particular time. Give up eliding this whole problem so that some programmers have an easier time scheduling backups or database compaction. In fact, as some have suggested, we should also give up time zones and just use UTC for everything. That way when you have to schedule a Zoom call a few thousand miles away, there is no confusion as to the time. Some idiot might retort that since people like to sleep when it's dark, that instead of looking up the time zone difference, you'd have to look up what time the sun rises where they live. I say screw them. Half of the world should just learn to live with sleeping during the "day" and go to work at "night." We've got electric lights now. It's a small price to pay so that programmers don't have to do time zone conversions.
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  If we're talking about radical time-related ideas, mine is to shift midnight to be the current 4AM. The reasoning is that many events last until past midnight, while 4AM is more or less the time when both the party and the work people are asleep.
  - dathinab 1y ago
    also obviously remove support for 12hour clocks from everything, who the duck thought having two different 4 O'Clock times every day makes sense. And what the insanity is the nonsense that write 12 mean 0 a.m. I.e. going from 11:59am goes to 12pm, like seriously who thought clocks braking basic math is a good ideaf!?!? Like the rang [11:59am;12am] is 12 hour and 1 minute wide instead of just 1 minute even through it uses the same unit.
    - drdec 1y ago
      I say keep the 12 hour clock, it is too ingrained, instead let's have twice as many days. April 42nd anyone?
malfist 1y ago
Stores already do this. Check your hours at your local mall, Kroger or Lowes.
HiPhish 1y ago
> So you propose we stop shifting the clock but shift every opening and closing times instead producing exactly the same effect with basically no difference. Lol no, that would be indeed even worse. I want to do the shift once and forever. Well, first and foremost I want to get rid of the twice-a-year switch. The question that usually arises then is "should we be permanently on standard time or on DST", to which my proposal is standard time (because it's correct) but shift working hours once and forever so we have more sunlight all year around. During summer it would be the same as it already is and during winter we have one more hour of sunshine, which is the time of the year when I want sunshine the most.
- kuboble 1y ago
  It could be better for YOU but you seem to assume it's a universal desire. many people prefer to have the daylight at the start of their day.
- 4gotunameagain 1y ago
  There is no correct or wrong time, it's conventions that do not apply generally. Some countries have some timezones where summer time is more "correct" than winter time. Therefore why not just stick to summertime and skip the whole "change every opening hours" thingy ?

butlike 1y ago

There's more clocks than storefronts

xigoi 1y ago

If I’m reading the parent correctly, they Want to switch to non-summer time and adjust opening hours to be effectively like summer time, forever.

hsbauauvhabzb 1y ago
I wonder what the earliest sunrise time would be as a result, 2am?
- jakewins 1y ago
  The earliest sunrise is that the sun does not set, which happens every summer for all the cities and towns north of the polar circle
ASalazarMX 1y ago
I think PC is proposing using the natural time zone, and adjusting hours if you need sunlight to operate. Summer time is awful because different latitudes have different hours of sunlight, yet all are forced to the least common denominator. Cities closer to the poles might want to adjust more than one hour, or none at all since they see little sunlight for months anyway. Cities near the equator might not need to adjust at all. Businesses that need to be synchronized could still coordinate their operating hours. It's the most natural approach is DST had never existed.

cameldrv 1y ago

Yes shift the opening and closing times of everything. Get everyone to coordinate, so that your kids' school time doesn't shift relative to when you need to be at work, not to mention everything else where two different organizations have to do something that regularly happens at a particular time. Give up eliding this whole problem so that some programmers have an easier time scheduling backups or database compaction. In fact, as some have suggested, we should also give up time zones and just use UTC for everything. That way when you have to schedule a Zoom call a few thousand miles away, there is no confusion as to the time. Some idiot might retort that since people like to sleep when it's dark, that instead of looking up the time zone difference, you'd have to look up what time the sun rises where they live. I say screw them. Half of the world should just learn to live with sleeping during the "day" and go to work at "night." We've got electric lights now. It's a small price to pay so that programmers don't have to do time zone conversions.

anal_reactor 1y ago
If we're talking about radical time-related ideas, mine is to shift midnight to be the current 4AM. The reasoning is that many events last until past midnight, while 4AM is more or less the time when both the party and the work people are asleep.
- dathinab 1y ago
  also obviously remove support for 12hour clocks from everything, who the duck thought having two different 4 O'Clock times every day makes sense. And what the insanity is the nonsense that write 12 mean 0 a.m. I.e. going from 11:59am goes to 12pm, like seriously who thought clocks braking basic math is a good ideaf!?!? Like the rang [11:59am;12am] is 12 hour and 1 minute wide instead of just 1 minute even through it uses the same unit.
  - drdec 1y ago
    I say keep the 12 hour clock, it is too ingrained, instead let's have twice as many days. April 42nd anyone?

malfist 1y ago

Stores already do this. Check your hours at your local mall, Kroger or Lowes.

HiPhish 1y ago

> So you propose we stop shifting the clock but shift every opening and closing times instead producing exactly the same effect with basically no difference. Lol no, that would be indeed even worse. I want to do the shift once and forever. Well, first and foremost I want to get rid of the twice-a-year switch. The question that usually arises then is "should we be permanently on standard time or on DST", to which my proposal is standard time (because it's correct) but shift working hours once and forever so we have more sunlight all year around. During summer it would be the same as it already is and during winter we have one more hour of sunshine, which is the time of the year when I want sunshine the most.

kuboble 1y ago
It could be better for YOU but you seem to assume it's a universal desire. many people prefer to have the daylight at the start of their day.
4gotunameagain 1y ago
There is no correct or wrong time, it's conventions that do not apply generally. Some countries have some timezones where summer time is more "correct" than winter time. Therefore why not just stick to summertime and skip the whole "change every opening hours" thingy ?