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I find it pretty sad when people talk about AI taking away the joy of coding. That means you don't care about problem solving, you only care about the crank you

I find it pretty sad when people talk about AI taking away the joy of coding. That means you don't care about problem solving, you only care about the crank you turn on the way to solving a problem. That's like enjoying putting words on paper but not caring about the story you write, just mind boggling.

simultsop 1y ago
I fail to see how those two are disconnected. If you are selling "just do it using AI", not that you are wrong, but you fail to understand the loss of years of investment in one self, wiped away one prompt at a time. Not literally, just feels like that.
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  I understand people being afraid of or disliking AI because they feel threatened, 100%. Raging and being toxic on the internet isn't going to stop it though, realistically we all just have to figure out how we can continue to provide value above and beyond the tools.
jimbokun 1y ago
If you read a story someone else wrote, do you care about writing? Similar to running a program written by AI, not by you. The whole promise of AI is that you are not problem solving. A machine is solving problems with as little input and understanding from you as possible. That's the entire promise of AI.
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  Let me bring it home for you. Imagine that you came up with a story in your head, full and complete. Imagine you used AI to get down a quick rough draft, specifying what happens in each chapter in explicit detail, then you went back and rewrote the AI draft line by line to be your words, your voice. Now imagine someone calls the thing you created, your story, your words, AI trash, and refused to even critically examine it, just because someone told them AI was used in some way (however small) in the creation of the work. This behavior is pervasive. Maybe you don't think this way but this is the company you're keeping. Also, if you're not problem solving when you do AI coding, sorry to say but that probably predicts a lot of your results.
  - hitarpetar 1y ago
    this behavior is not pervasive and you know it. the entire promise of AI is to take labor of your hands, if you're using it only to generate first drafts, congrats but you're in the minority
    - CuriouslyC 1y ago
      I meant the behavior of the "one drop" anti-AI folks is pervasive. I don't pretend to know what percentage of people understand that AI is a tool to get 80-90% of the way (task dependent) and the output needs to be heavily polished, but I admit it isn't as high as it should be.
yacin 1y ago
Problem solving and having the problem solved for you aren't the same thing.
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  If a senior architect outlines a system in detail, and the people below him in the org build the system, how would you describe that? In my mind, the architect solved the problem and the engineers implemented the solution.

simultsop 1y ago

I fail to see how those two are disconnected. If you are selling "just do it using AI", not that you are wrong, but you fail to understand the loss of years of investment in one self, wiped away one prompt at a time. Not literally, just feels like that.

CuriouslyC 1y ago
I understand people being afraid of or disliking AI because they feel threatened, 100%. Raging and being toxic on the internet isn't going to stop it though, realistically we all just have to figure out how we can continue to provide value above and beyond the tools.

jimbokun 1y ago

If you read a story someone else wrote, do you care about writing? Similar to running a program written by AI, not by you. The whole promise of AI is that you are not problem solving. A machine is solving problems with as little input and understanding from you as possible. That's the entire promise of AI.

CuriouslyC 1y ago
Let me bring it home for you. Imagine that you came up with a story in your head, full and complete. Imagine you used AI to get down a quick rough draft, specifying what happens in each chapter in explicit detail, then you went back and rewrote the AI draft line by line to be your words, your voice. Now imagine someone calls the thing you created, your story, your words, AI trash, and refused to even critically examine it, just because someone told them AI was used in some way (however small) in the creation of the work. This behavior is pervasive. Maybe you don't think this way but this is the company you're keeping. Also, if you're not problem solving when you do AI coding, sorry to say but that probably predicts a lot of your results.
- hitarpetar 1y ago
  this behavior is not pervasive and you know it. the entire promise of AI is to take labor of your hands, if you're using it only to generate first drafts, congrats but you're in the minority
  - CuriouslyC 1y ago
    I meant the behavior of the "one drop" anti-AI folks is pervasive. I don't pretend to know what percentage of people understand that AI is a tool to get 80-90% of the way (task dependent) and the output needs to be heavily polished, but I admit it isn't as high as it should be.

yacin 1y ago

Problem solving and having the problem solved for you aren't the same thing.

CuriouslyC 1y ago
If a senior architect outlines a system in detail, and the people below him in the org build the system, how would you describe that? In my mind, the architect solved the problem and the engineers implemented the solution.