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Tau and it's relationship to Amyloid, are the current top hypothesis. Another way to look at why the removal of amyloid may not be effective in repairing damag

Tau and it's relationship to Amyloid, are the current top hypothesis. Another way to look at why the removal of amyloid may not be effective in repairing damage is to think of it like a blocked pipe. A pipe gets blocked, and the pipe itself gets damaged, causing a leak. The block can be removed, but that doesn't repair the pipe. In my example, the pharmaceuticals are removing the blockage, but the damage is still done. Having said that, I believe that as we learn more about what we currently call Alzheimer's, we'll discover that we've been lumping multiple diseases under a single label. I believe the amyloid hypothesis, and Type 3 diabetes hypothesis, both have merit. There may well be others.

DarkmSparks 1y ago
Traumatic brain injury (TBI) can lead to the rapid formation of amyloid plaques.... So entirely possible they are simply part of how or brain deals with brain cell death. Its possible at this point it's not a "disease" at all, at least no more than the STI we are all dieing from (our parents had sex and now we get to die). Prior to 1900 or so, average life expectancy was something like 25 or 30, our brains simply never evolved to live as long as they do now, some people age faster than others.. The problem for the scientific basis is all the brain research has gone into plaques and ignored all the other conditions that lead to cell death and aging, it's going to be a while before other directions can be properly explored, and plaques for sure still have the momentum despite failing at every turn.
- anon84873628 1y ago
  Plaques have not failed at every turn. This seems to be a myth repeated every time an article like this pops up. Yes there were specific instances of fraud, but this did not invalidate the whole research avenue. Researchers are in fact doing exactly what you suggest, and understanding plaques is a lever into those underlying dysfunctions... Like say circadian rhythm perhaps. And I don't know why you would talk about average life expectancy when median expectancy or expectancy at adolescence are much more relevant metrics (that probably don't agree with your point).
  - DarkmSparks 1y ago
    Name a single success. The best treatments on the market slows cognative decline measurements for up to 6 months "maybe" (could just be the result of pain relief), dates back to like 2001, and have nothing to do with amyloids. >but this did not invalidate the whole research avenue Indeed, multiple treatments in very expensive human trials based on the research avenue failing to show any kind of measurable clinical efficacy invalidates the research area. The latest being from just a few days ago https://www.biospace.com/drug-development/alector-scraps-dementia-drug-after-phase-iii-flop-lays-off-49-of-staff https://www.biospace.com/drug-development/alector-scraps-dem...
    - pedalpete 1y ago
      You're confusing repairing the damage with the cause. Just because amyloid/tau cause the damage, that doesn't mean removing them repairs. If rust weakens a structural piece of steel, removing the rust does not repair the integrity of the steel.
      - DarkmSparks 1y ago
        There is exactly zero evidence to show they cause the damage, the only evidence that once existed to say they caused the damage used 100% faked results, which didnt emerge until after the treatments based on it causing the damage failed to show any clinical benefit and stanford launched an investigation into the prof whose students produced the evidence. They created several treatments that stopped them forming (most prominent being biogens). The result was no difference in cognitive function vs placebo and some 20% of the people who took it suffering from a heamoralgic stroke (which they covered up).
        pas 1y ago
        sources please!? there's a reason that 18% of clinical trials around drugs against Alzheimer's still target plaques also the etiological model evolved a lot (as others pointed out, it's removing blockage after the pipe has ruptured still can lead to a sinkhole forming later) https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/trc2.70098 https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/trc... also some nuance regarding the scientific fraud and the Amyloid mafia https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/reaction-alzheimer-s-fraud https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/reaction-alzheimer...

DarkmSparks 1y ago

Traumatic brain injury (TBI) can lead to the rapid formation of amyloid plaques.... So entirely possible they are simply part of how or brain deals with brain cell death. Its possible at this point it's not a "disease" at all, at least no more than the STI we are all dieing from (our parents had sex and now we get to die). Prior to 1900 or so, average life expectancy was something like 25 or 30, our brains simply never evolved to live as long as they do now, some people age faster than others.. The problem for the scientific basis is all the brain research has gone into plaques and ignored all the other conditions that lead to cell death and aging, it's going to be a while before other directions can be properly explored, and plaques for sure still have the momentum despite failing at every turn.

anon84873628 1y ago
Plaques have not failed at every turn. This seems to be a myth repeated every time an article like this pops up. Yes there were specific instances of fraud, but this did not invalidate the whole research avenue. Researchers are in fact doing exactly what you suggest, and understanding plaques is a lever into those underlying dysfunctions... Like say circadian rhythm perhaps. And I don't know why you would talk about average life expectancy when median expectancy or expectancy at adolescence are much more relevant metrics (that probably don't agree with your point).
- DarkmSparks 1y ago
  Name a single success. The best treatments on the market slows cognative decline measurements for up to 6 months "maybe" (could just be the result of pain relief), dates back to like 2001, and have nothing to do with amyloids. >but this did not invalidate the whole research avenue Indeed, multiple treatments in very expensive human trials based on the research avenue failing to show any kind of measurable clinical efficacy invalidates the research area. The latest being from just a few days ago https://www.biospace.com/drug-development/alector-scraps-dementia-drug-after-phase-iii-flop-lays-off-49-of-staff https://www.biospace.com/drug-development/alector-scraps-dem...
  - pedalpete 1y ago
    You're confusing repairing the damage with the cause. Just because amyloid/tau cause the damage, that doesn't mean removing them repairs. If rust weakens a structural piece of steel, removing the rust does not repair the integrity of the steel.
    - DarkmSparks 1y ago
      There is exactly zero evidence to show they cause the damage, the only evidence that once existed to say they caused the damage used 100% faked results, which didnt emerge until after the treatments based on it causing the damage failed to show any clinical benefit and stanford launched an investigation into the prof whose students produced the evidence. They created several treatments that stopped them forming (most prominent being biogens). The result was no difference in cognitive function vs placebo and some 20% of the people who took it suffering from a heamoralgic stroke (which they covered up).
      - pas 1y ago
        sources please!? there's a reason that 18% of clinical trials around drugs against Alzheimer's still target plaques also the etiological model evolved a lot (as others pointed out, it's removing blockage after the pipe has ruptured still can lead to a sinkhole forming later) https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/trc2.70098 https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/trc... also some nuance regarding the scientific fraud and the Amyloid mafia https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/reaction-alzheimer-s-fraud https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/reaction-alzheimer...