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A surgeon who performed a voluntary operation which caused unpredictable complications leading to death shouldn't necessarily stop operating on other patients.

A surgeon who performed a voluntary operation which caused unpredictable complications leading to death shouldn't necessarily stop operating on other patients. There's a line that has to be drawn somewhere, I'm not going to draw it. A self-driving car that kills less people per mile than a reasonably selected cohort of human drivers is probably a good thing.

gambiting 1y ago
Replace the surgeon with a robotic surgeon operating under some kind of autonomous mode and yes, I think every robot of its kind should be immediately pulled out of use. >>A self-driving car that kills less people per mile than a reasonably selected cohort of human drivers is probably a good thing. Hard disagree, and I honestly hate it when people make that argument. The number should be zero.
- monerozcash 1y ago
  >Hard disagree, and I honestly hate it when people make that argument. The number should be zero. Are you suggesting that we could use such a system but shouldn't be happy with it until it reaches zero deaths? In which case I couldn't agree more. Or are you suggesting that we shouldn't use a technology that is vastly safer than human drivers, but still causes a nonzero amount of deaths?
  - gambiting 1y ago
    >>Or are you suggesting that we shouldn't use a technology that is vastly safer than human drivers, but still causes a nonzero amount of deaths? Absolutely this one. And the key word here is "causes" - if the deaths are being caused by mistakes of the algorithm(and by extension - their creators) then every single one of these systems should be disabled and pulled out from sale until it can be addressed, in the same way a plane autopilot would be. I suspect we will disagree on this. Perhaps look at it this way - when I buy an automatic pressure cooker, I need it to explode exactly zero times, not "less than manual pressure cookers". If my car drives into a concrete barrier because it thought it's actually a perfectly straight road g - I really really don't care that on average fewer people have died while using it than when driving themselves. It's unsafe and it should be forbidden from sale and use on public roads.

gambiting 1y ago

Replace the surgeon with a robotic surgeon operating under some kind of autonomous mode and yes, I think every robot of its kind should be immediately pulled out of use. >>A self-driving car that kills less people per mile than a reasonably selected cohort of human drivers is probably a good thing. Hard disagree, and I honestly hate it when people make that argument. The number should be zero.

monerozcash 1y ago
>Hard disagree, and I honestly hate it when people make that argument. The number should be zero. Are you suggesting that we could use such a system but shouldn't be happy with it until it reaches zero deaths? In which case I couldn't agree more. Or are you suggesting that we shouldn't use a technology that is vastly safer than human drivers, but still causes a nonzero amount of deaths?
- gambiting 1y ago
  >>Or are you suggesting that we shouldn't use a technology that is vastly safer than human drivers, but still causes a nonzero amount of deaths? Absolutely this one. And the key word here is "causes" - if the deaths are being caused by mistakes of the algorithm(and by extension - their creators) then every single one of these systems should be disabled and pulled out from sale until it can be addressed, in the same way a plane autopilot would be. I suspect we will disagree on this. Perhaps look at it this way - when I buy an automatic pressure cooker, I need it to explode exactly zero times, not "less than manual pressure cookers". If my car drives into a concrete barrier because it thought it's actually a perfectly straight road g - I really really don't care that on average fewer people have died while using it than when driving themselves. It's unsafe and it should be forbidden from sale and use on public roads.