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most people think git = github

halJordan 1y ago
I always found these sort of categorical denigrations to be off base. If most people do think git = github then that's because they were taught it by somebody. A lot of somebodies for "most people". Likely by the same somebodies who also come to places like this. It has always taken a village to raise a child and that is just as true for an infant as a junior programmer. But instead we live in a sad world of "why didn't schools teach person x"
- bfkwlfkjf 1y ago
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- blueflow 1y ago
  Humans are fallible, relying on hearsay is unprofessional, learn your craft properly. Imagine what the equivalent argumentation for a lawyer or nurse would be. Those rules ought to apply for engineers, too.
- loloquwowndueo 1y ago
  Despite your indignation, the observation that most people think GitHub is git is entirely true. Do you point it out when you spot someone having that mistaken belief? I do.
- liveoneggs 1y ago
  they were taught by github
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  What makes you say that people complain about the spread of incorrect knowledge "instead" of teaching? Because there's nothing wrong with doing both.
albert_e 1y ago
IT support and cybersecurity teams responsible for blocking and enforcing network access restriction to "github.com" ... blocked a user request to install "git" locally citing the former policy. The organization in question does IT services, software development, and maintenance as their main business.
- jiggawatts 1y ago
  That’s… special.
- watwut 1y ago
  Sometimes I feel like IT and security people compete on how to make the work least possible. These guys won.
bfkwlfkjf 1y ago
Nonsense... Even someone who knows that git isn't GitHub might not be aware that ssh is enough to use git remotely. That's actually the case for me! I'm a HUGE fan of git, I mildly dislike GitHub, and I never knew that ssh was enough to push to a remote repo. Like, how does it even work, I don't need a server? I suspect this is due to my poor understanding of ssh, not my poor understand of git.
- porridgeraisin 1y ago
  > I don't need a server? You do, an SSH server needs to be running on the remote if you want to ssh into it, using your ssh client - the `ssh` command on your laptop. It's just not a http server is all. You start that server using the `sshd` [systemd] service. On VPSs it's enabled by default. Git supports both http and ssh as the "transport method". So, you can use either. Browsers OTOH only support http.
  - bfkwlfkjf 1y ago
    Exactly! Only now the dots connected. Thank you!! Edit: hey this is really exciting. For a long time one of the reasons I've loved git (not GitHub) is the elegance of being a piece of software which is decentralized and actually works well. But I'd never actually used the decentralized aspect of it, I've always had a local repo and then defaulted to use GitHub, bitbucket or whatever instead, because I always thought I'd need to install some "git daemon" in order to achieve this and I couldn't be bothered. But now, this is so much more powerful. Linus Torvalds best programmer alive, change my mind.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      And in general, any daemon that manipulates files can be replaced by ssh (or ftp) access and a local program. And most things are files.
      - tsimionescu 1y ago
        BTW, a nice example of this general concept is Emacs' TRAMP mode. This is a mode where you can open and manipulate files (and other things) on remote systems simply by typing a remote path in Emacs. Emacs will then simply run ssh/scp to expose or modify the contents of those files, and of course to run any required commands, such as deleting a file.
setopt 1y ago
Yup. I’ve heard several people say that Git is a product from Microsoft…
- devsda 1y ago
  I wouldn't mind it if those people are from non-tech background. Now, if it is a growing misconception among cs students or anyone doing software development or operations, that's a cause for concern.
- littlecranky67 1y ago
  The irony, when you realize that Linus Torvalds created git.
  - mrweasel 1y ago
    There's an interview with Torvalds where he states that his daughter told him that in the computer lab at her college Linus is more known for Git than Linux Clip from the interview: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wLidyXzFk8 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wLidyXzFk8
ruguo 1y ago
Looks like they’re not developers after all

I always found these sort of categorical denigrations to be off base. If most people do think git = github then that's because they were taught it by somebody. A lot of somebodies for "most people". Likely by the same somebodies who also come to places like this. It has always taken a village to raise a child and that is just as true for an infant as a junior programmer. But instead we live in a sad world of "why didn't schools teach person x"

bfkwlfkjf 1y ago
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blueflow 1y ago
Humans are fallible, relying on hearsay is unprofessional, learn your craft properly. Imagine what the equivalent argumentation for a lawyer or nurse would be. Those rules ought to apply for engineers, too.
loloquwowndueo 1y ago
Despite your indignation, the observation that most people think GitHub is git is entirely true. Do you point it out when you spot someone having that mistaken belief? I do.
liveoneggs 1y ago
they were taught by github
Dylan16807 1y ago
What makes you say that people complain about the spread of incorrect knowledge "instead" of teaching? Because there's nothing wrong with doing both.

albert_e 1y ago

IT support and cybersecurity teams responsible for blocking and enforcing network access restriction to "github.com" ... blocked a user request to install "git" locally citing the former policy. The organization in question does IT services, software development, and maintenance as their main business.

jiggawatts 1y ago
That’s… special.
watwut 1y ago
Sometimes I feel like IT and security people compete on how to make the work least possible. These guys won.

bfkwlfkjf 1y ago

Nonsense... Even someone who knows that git isn't GitHub might not be aware that ssh is enough to use git remotely. That's actually the case for me! I'm a HUGE fan of git, I mildly dislike GitHub, and I never knew that ssh was enough to push to a remote repo. Like, how does it even work, I don't need a server? I suspect this is due to my poor understanding of ssh, not my poor understand of git.

porridgeraisin 1y ago
> I don't need a server? You do, an SSH server needs to be running on the remote if you want to ssh into it, using your ssh client - the `ssh` command on your laptop. It's just not a http server is all. You start that server using the `sshd` [systemd] service. On VPSs it's enabled by default. Git supports both http and ssh as the "transport method". So, you can use either. Browsers OTOH only support http.
- bfkwlfkjf 1y ago
  Exactly! Only now the dots connected. Thank you!! Edit: hey this is really exciting. For a long time one of the reasons I've loved git (not GitHub) is the elegance of being a piece of software which is decentralized and actually works well. But I'd never actually used the decentralized aspect of it, I've always had a local repo and then defaulted to use GitHub, bitbucket or whatever instead, because I always thought I'd need to install some "git daemon" in order to achieve this and I couldn't be bothered. But now, this is so much more powerful. Linus Torvalds best programmer alive, change my mind.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    And in general, any daemon that manipulates files can be replaced by ssh (or ftp) access and a local program. And most things are files.
    - tsimionescu 1y ago
      BTW, a nice example of this general concept is Emacs' TRAMP mode. This is a mode where you can open and manipulate files (and other things) on remote systems simply by typing a remote path in Emacs. Emacs will then simply run ssh/scp to expose or modify the contents of those files, and of course to run any required commands, such as deleting a file.

setopt 1y ago

Yup. I’ve heard several people say that Git is a product from Microsoft…

devsda 1y ago
I wouldn't mind it if those people are from non-tech background. Now, if it is a growing misconception among cs students or anyone doing software development or operations, that's a cause for concern.
littlecranky67 1y ago
The irony, when you realize that Linus Torvalds created git.
- mrweasel 1y ago
  There's an interview with Torvalds where he states that his daughter told him that in the computer lab at her college Linus is more known for Git than Linux Clip from the interview: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wLidyXzFk8 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wLidyXzFk8

ruguo 1y ago

Looks like they’re not developers after all