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My biggest frustration is that these widgets keep wiggling the UI. Lots of the JS side logic has this issue but, the latency on the AI widget that loads and the

by edoceo 1y ago

My biggest frustration is that these widgets keep wiggling the UI. Lots of the JS side logic has this issue but, the latency on the AI widget that loads and then reflows my UI and move what I was just about to click on! Then a mis-click that is a rabbit hole

tomnipotent 1y ago
Google Sheets now has an intrusive Gemini pop-up that obscures other cells and UI when you try to do things like edit a formula, it's beyond infuriating and I can feel my blood pressure rise just thinking about it.
- rapind 1y ago
  Clippy!
  - 6510 1y ago
    Ask Jeeves? Oh, no wait! Google answers?
  - tomnipotent 1y ago
    Clippy at least had the courtesy of only blocking the bottom right of the window, these ridiculous Gemini pop-ups appear next to whatever cell you have selected and block things like column headers or values that you actually want to look at while editing the formula/value. It's insane to me that this was ever allowed to get deployed without a rational human being calling out the obvious issue.
- quamserena 1y ago
  I blocked that with uBlock origin the moment I first saw it. So annoying! Someone should make a filter for all of these AI widgets.
  - bravetraveler 1y ago
    We can go for a first release, together. You have these, I have about 8 things filtered out of Atlassian products. If I remember on Monday, I'll reply with my portion. Don't own nearly enough to go near radiation on my weekend.
    - bravetraveler 1y ago
      Change the domain (before ##) to match your instance: your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="issue-smart-request-summary.ui.ai-container"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="issue.views.issue-base.foundation.status.improve-issue"] your_co.atlassian.net##[aria-label="Summarize"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="atlassian-navigation.ui.conversation-assistant.app-navigation-ai-mate"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="highlight-actions.ui.popup-target.popup-dialog.action-items.define-button.define-button"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="context-menu-rovo-chat-button"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="context-menu-rovo-chat-more-options"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="atlassian-intelligence-toolbar-button"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="placeholder-test-id"] Surely some repeats/inefficiency: barely know what I'm doing :)
- pea 1y ago
  The way Gemini (which is incredible) has been haphazardly shoved into gsuite products seems devoid of any kind of common sense. Even very basic obvious things via Gemini in Gmail fail. It’s ironic because it’s the one place I’d love a decent model.
  - wlesieutre 1y ago
    Reminds me of when Google Plus got “integrated” everywhere, but even worse. If we take the thing nobody asked for and shove it in users faces as often as possible, this will get lots of happy customers and the product will take off!
  - SturgeonsLaw 1y ago
    Incredible at some things maybe, but for the average user Gemini is what broke Google Assistant (the article touches on that). Most people use Google Assistant to "do things" like play music, interact with smart switches, etc. Rolling out Gemini as a replacement before it could do these things was always going to be viewed as a regression. People don't care if it can answer questions with more nuance when the smart stuff they paid hundreds or thousands for no longer works.
    - ianburrell 1y ago
      The weird thing is that other AI systems can route commands to different models. Google should be able to send questions to Gemini and commands to Google Assistant.
    - netsharc 1y ago
      I use Assistant to add reminders or stuff to my calendar (saying "Add appointment for 22nd of December at 2pm take sleigh out of garage" is a lot faster than clicking around the calendar UI), a few months ago Gemini couldn't do these things, yesterday it offers to do so after I connect it to the Workspace apps (I'm using civilian Google). But asking it to list my reminders gives me a textual listing in its UI instead of loading the Tasks UI... Getting a response to "Set alarm for 8am" is still a lot quicker in Assistant than in Gemini.
    - 1y ago
clumsysmurf 1y ago
Even though I don't use Gemini, I have a permanent Gemini 'FAB' located above the 'Start Chat' FAB in Android / Google Messages and I can't seem to get rid of it. Material 3 guidelines say "Don't display multiple FABs on a single screen": https://m3.material.io/components/floating-action-button/guidelines#f627076c-bd6b-4c09-a223-36acdde338d8 https://m3.material.io/components/floating-action-button/gui...
- jasongill 1y ago
  For those like me who didn't know what a FAB is, it stands for "Floating Action Button", which is intended to be the primary action for a page
- netsharc 1y ago
  I was wondering why I don't see what you see, but I realize I use Google Chat (which used to be XMPP, current status I don't know) and not Google Messages. What do you use this app for? RCS messaging? Ah, the benefit of using the messaging app Google's neglected is the lack of this Gemini button...
- dingaling 1y ago
  Kagi, who up to now have been respectful of their users, have just introduced a floating 'Quick Answers' AI summariser button in the bottom right of their search results page on mobile - precisely where one would place one's thumb to scroll the page. I've already inadvertently clicked on it once. Very disappointing and they don't provide any toggle to remove it.
  - xigoi 1y ago
    > Very disappointing and they don't provide any toggle to remove it. There definitely should be an easier way, but here you go: .qa-mode-box { display: none; }
  - benhurmarcel 1y ago
    They’re going to remove it https://kagifeedback.org/d/8729-feedback-on-the-new-quick-answer-experience-on-mobile/67 https://kagifeedback.org/d/8729-feedback-on-the-new-quick-an...
ajkjk 1y ago
It's just so... disrespectful. The reason they do it, of course, is that some subset of the company has AI-related metrics they want to hit, and getting you to click that button is how they do that. Which is so backwards. Of course, in the first place, a lot of these are free products, so it's not surprising that changes in the product benefit the company instead of you. But there is still supposed to be a modicum of respect: features should be there for you to use if you need them, not trying to get your addition and screaming "use me!". The stupid AI metric they're trying to hit isn't even real or beneficial to them; it's fake wallstreet crap because all the management lives in the same AI bubble and it looks good to say your feature got adopted. But the stupid feature isn't even useful or good. Probably decent documentation would be far better. And you just know the button wiggles on the paid version too, they don't give a shit. This whole industry is conveniently abstracted away from its users by an app or a website, or whatever, so it manages to get away with treating the users like statistics instead of people. It's so disgusting, that the whole world is being taken over by this. Working at a company that does this should be a source of shame. "Manipulating your users" is a vile bottom-of-the-barrel business model. Fortunately everyone also sucks at it so it's still possible, for the most part, to ignore them (social media feeds being the notable counterexample). But it's just such a shitty world to live in. If a real person did this stuff to your face--selling you something and then wiggling useless features at you out of the corner of your eye forever--you'd curse them out and try to never do business with them again. That's how it should be when a tech company does it, too. edit: and don't get me started on those stupid little stars. Where did those even come from? Is there anybody who sees that icon and thinks "I should click that"? I'm glad that all the companies use the same icon for their dogshit features, but still, you would think they'd mix it up or something.
- deleted 1y ago
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- spwa4 1y ago
  But all governments, or at least all the ones I deal with on a regular basis, are switching to AI for essentially everything as well. The issue I already see coming more and more is that they just don't have an escape hatch (whereas your bank's helpdesk, which no doubt is doing the same does have an escape hatch to talk to a real human ... usually after waiting 10 hours to one song). Your passport renewal gets denied? "Please try again" and back into the app + AI recognition you go!
bartread 1y ago
The Firefox right-click context menu is awful for this. Incredibly annoying.
- xethos 1y ago
  I must be blanking, because I can't remember any major shuffles on the (Linux) desktop. Either you've noticed and I haven't, or it's stripped out / disabled by default by the maintainers. Do you mind elaborating on what I've missed?
  - bartread 1y ago
    I’m using macOS. The menu item often appears after the rest of the context menu. Since it appears in the middle of the menu it causes a bunch of items to shift and and leads to misclicks. It would be less of an annoyance if it appeared straightaway but was disabled, and then enabled once it was ready to use, because then it would avoid moving already visible UI elements. In general I don’t like visible UI elements to change position unless it’s in response to a direct user action (e.g., expanding or collapsing a group). It’s the sort of thing that trashy news website do to ensure they get at least some ad clicks, and it always feels janky and causes frustration.
    - xethos 1y ago
      Thank you. Mine appears fast enough that I hadn't actually noticed - seemingly by the time I release my right-click button. This is on (what I consider) obscenely powerful hardware for a web browser though: a 5600X, 64Gb RAM, and a hardwired connection with geek-level hardware all the way up the chain. Basically the best possible scenario, and it's still noticably slower than the rest of the context menu now that I look for it.
- tim333 1y ago
  I just tried right clicking on Firefox and got 15 lines of text of which one is "Ask an AI chatbot". Is that it?
  - 1y ago
chanux 1y ago
I recall that Amazon Q bubble at top right really gets my goat at work. I just checked on my private account and it does not look so bad. Must be a combination of things leading to the bad behaviour at work.
bryankaplan 1y ago
The underlying problem here is that a click or tap should always refer to whatever _was_ on the screen a few (100?) milliseconds ago. It’s a long-standing bug on all platforms.
- hn92726819 1y ago
  That isn't a bug; it's working as intended. I do wonder if that could be mocked up easily in html to see what it feels like though. Sounds like a cool idea
Yizahi 1y ago
Yeah, my company has migrated from on-prem to the cloud Confluence. In addition to being slow as a snail, the cloud version is littered with so called "AI" landmines. There is an "AI" button almost on top of the scroll bar, there is another one near the edit/save button, then there is a hideous popup which appears on any text selection and of course there is "AI" junk there too. All the while toolbars for doing actual work were stripped, cut or removed completely. Adding rows, resizing, moving etc. is now a fun little point and click game with a built-in 500ms+ lag response. God, I hate llmification of everything.
- port11 1y ago
  It's ironic how many PMs want to use Atlassian products, when they're clearly some of the most obtuse options out there. If you care about product, wouldn't something like Linear be an obvious choice? It's snappy! (No affiliation, just liked the product.)

by edoceo 1y ago

tomnipotent 1y ago

Google Sheets now has an intrusive Gemini pop-up that obscures other cells and UI when you try to do things like edit a formula, it's beyond infuriating and I can feel my blood pressure rise just thinking about it.

rapind 1y ago
Clippy!
- 6510 1y ago
  Ask Jeeves? Oh, no wait! Google answers?
- tomnipotent 1y ago
  Clippy at least had the courtesy of only blocking the bottom right of the window, these ridiculous Gemini pop-ups appear next to whatever cell you have selected and block things like column headers or values that you actually want to look at while editing the formula/value. It's insane to me that this was ever allowed to get deployed without a rational human being calling out the obvious issue.
quamserena 1y ago
I blocked that with uBlock origin the moment I first saw it. So annoying! Someone should make a filter for all of these AI widgets.
- bravetraveler 1y ago
  We can go for a first release, together. You have these, I have about 8 things filtered out of Atlassian products. If I remember on Monday, I'll reply with my portion. Don't own nearly enough to go near radiation on my weekend.
  - bravetraveler 1y ago
    Change the domain (before ##) to match your instance: your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="issue-smart-request-summary.ui.ai-container"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="issue.views.issue-base.foundation.status.improve-issue"] your_co.atlassian.net##[aria-label="Summarize"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="atlassian-navigation.ui.conversation-assistant.app-navigation-ai-mate"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="highlight-actions.ui.popup-target.popup-dialog.action-items.define-button.define-button"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="context-menu-rovo-chat-button"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="context-menu-rovo-chat-more-options"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="atlassian-intelligence-toolbar-button"] your_co.atlassian.net##[data-testid*="placeholder-test-id"] Surely some repeats/inefficiency: barely know what I'm doing :)
pea 1y ago
The way Gemini (which is incredible) has been haphazardly shoved into gsuite products seems devoid of any kind of common sense. Even very basic obvious things via Gemini in Gmail fail. It’s ironic because it’s the one place I’d love a decent model.
- wlesieutre 1y ago
  Reminds me of when Google Plus got “integrated” everywhere, but even worse. If we take the thing nobody asked for and shove it in users faces as often as possible, this will get lots of happy customers and the product will take off!
- SturgeonsLaw 1y ago
  Incredible at some things maybe, but for the average user Gemini is what broke Google Assistant (the article touches on that). Most people use Google Assistant to "do things" like play music, interact with smart switches, etc. Rolling out Gemini as a replacement before it could do these things was always going to be viewed as a regression. People don't care if it can answer questions with more nuance when the smart stuff they paid hundreds or thousands for no longer works.
  - ianburrell 1y ago
    The weird thing is that other AI systems can route commands to different models. Google should be able to send questions to Gemini and commands to Google Assistant.
  - netsharc 1y ago
    I use Assistant to add reminders or stuff to my calendar (saying "Add appointment for 22nd of December at 2pm take sleigh out of garage" is a lot faster than clicking around the calendar UI), a few months ago Gemini couldn't do these things, yesterday it offers to do so after I connect it to the Workspace apps (I'm using civilian Google). But asking it to list my reminders gives me a textual listing in its UI instead of loading the Tasks UI... Getting a response to "Set alarm for 8am" is still a lot quicker in Assistant than in Gemini.
  - 1y ago

clumsysmurf 1y ago

Even though I don't use Gemini, I have a permanent Gemini 'FAB' located above the 'Start Chat' FAB in Android / Google Messages and I can't seem to get rid of it. Material 3 guidelines say "Don't display multiple FABs on a single screen": https://m3.material.io/components/floating-action-button/guidelines#f627076c-bd6b-4c09-a223-36acdde338d8 https://m3.material.io/components/floating-action-button/gui...

jasongill 1y ago
For those like me who didn't know what a FAB is, it stands for "Floating Action Button", which is intended to be the primary action for a page
netsharc 1y ago
I was wondering why I don't see what you see, but I realize I use Google Chat (which used to be XMPP, current status I don't know) and not Google Messages. What do you use this app for? RCS messaging? Ah, the benefit of using the messaging app Google's neglected is the lack of this Gemini button...
dingaling 1y ago
Kagi, who up to now have been respectful of their users, have just introduced a floating 'Quick Answers' AI summariser button in the bottom right of their search results page on mobile - precisely where one would place one's thumb to scroll the page. I've already inadvertently clicked on it once. Very disappointing and they don't provide any toggle to remove it.
- xigoi 1y ago
  > Very disappointing and they don't provide any toggle to remove it. There definitely should be an easier way, but here you go: .qa-mode-box { display: none; }
- benhurmarcel 1y ago
  They’re going to remove it https://kagifeedback.org/d/8729-feedback-on-the-new-quick-answer-experience-on-mobile/67 https://kagifeedback.org/d/8729-feedback-on-the-new-quick-an...

ajkjk 1y ago

It's just so... disrespectful. The reason they do it, of course, is that some subset of the company has AI-related metrics they want to hit, and getting you to click that button is how they do that. Which is so backwards. Of course, in the first place, a lot of these are free products, so it's not surprising that changes in the product benefit the company instead of you. But there is still supposed to be a modicum of respect: features should be there for you to use if you need them, not trying to get your addition and screaming "use me!". The stupid AI metric they're trying to hit isn't even real or beneficial to them; it's fake wallstreet crap because all the management lives in the same AI bubble and it looks good to say your feature got adopted. But the stupid feature isn't even useful or good. Probably decent documentation would be far better. And you just know the button wiggles on the paid version too, they don't give a shit. This whole industry is conveniently abstracted away from its users by an app or a website, or whatever, so it manages to get away with treating the users like statistics instead of people. It's so disgusting, that the whole world is being taken over by this. Working at a company that does this should be a source of shame. "Manipulating your users" is a vile bottom-of-the-barrel business model. Fortunately everyone also sucks at it so it's still possible, for the most part, to ignore them (social media feeds being the notable counterexample). But it's just such a shitty world to live in. If a real person did this stuff to your face--selling you something and then wiggling useless features at you out of the corner of your eye forever--you'd curse them out and try to never do business with them again. That's how it should be when a tech company does it, too. edit: and don't get me started on those stupid little stars. Where did those even come from? Is there anybody who sees that icon and thinks "I should click that"? I'm glad that all the companies use the same icon for their dogshit features, but still, you would think they'd mix it up or something.

deleted 1y ago
[deleted]
spwa4 1y ago
But all governments, or at least all the ones I deal with on a regular basis, are switching to AI for essentially everything as well. The issue I already see coming more and more is that they just don't have an escape hatch (whereas your bank's helpdesk, which no doubt is doing the same does have an escape hatch to talk to a real human ... usually after waiting 10 hours to one song). Your passport renewal gets denied? "Please try again" and back into the app + AI recognition you go!

bartread 1y ago

The Firefox right-click context menu is awful for this. Incredibly annoying.

xethos 1y ago
I must be blanking, because I can't remember any major shuffles on the (Linux) desktop. Either you've noticed and I haven't, or it's stripped out / disabled by default by the maintainers. Do you mind elaborating on what I've missed?
- bartread 1y ago
  I’m using macOS. The menu item often appears after the rest of the context menu. Since it appears in the middle of the menu it causes a bunch of items to shift and and leads to misclicks. It would be less of an annoyance if it appeared straightaway but was disabled, and then enabled once it was ready to use, because then it would avoid moving already visible UI elements. In general I don’t like visible UI elements to change position unless it’s in response to a direct user action (e.g., expanding or collapsing a group). It’s the sort of thing that trashy news website do to ensure they get at least some ad clicks, and it always feels janky and causes frustration.
  - xethos 1y ago
    Thank you. Mine appears fast enough that I hadn't actually noticed - seemingly by the time I release my right-click button. This is on (what I consider) obscenely powerful hardware for a web browser though: a 5600X, 64Gb RAM, and a hardwired connection with geek-level hardware all the way up the chain. Basically the best possible scenario, and it's still noticably slower than the rest of the context menu now that I look for it.
tim333 1y ago
I just tried right clicking on Firefox and got 15 lines of text of which one is "Ask an AI chatbot". Is that it?
- 1y ago

chanux 1y ago

I recall that Amazon Q bubble at top right really gets my goat at work. I just checked on my private account and it does not look so bad. Must be a combination of things leading to the bad behaviour at work.

bryankaplan 1y ago

The underlying problem here is that a click or tap should always refer to whatever _was_ on the screen a few (100?) milliseconds ago. It’s a long-standing bug on all platforms.

hn92726819 1y ago
That isn't a bug; it's working as intended. I do wonder if that could be mocked up easily in html to see what it feels like though. Sounds like a cool idea

Yizahi 1y ago

Yeah, my company has migrated from on-prem to the cloud Confluence. In addition to being slow as a snail, the cloud version is littered with so called "AI" landmines. There is an "AI" button almost on top of the scroll bar, there is another one near the edit/save button, then there is a hideous popup which appears on any text selection and of course there is "AI" junk there too. All the while toolbars for doing actual work were stripped, cut or removed completely. Adding rows, resizing, moving etc. is now a fun little point and click game with a built-in 500ms+ lag response. God, I hate llmification of everything.

port11 1y ago
It's ironic how many PMs want to use Atlassian products, when they're clearly some of the most obtuse options out there. If you care about product, wouldn't something like Linear be an obvious choice? It's snappy! (No affiliation, just liked the product.)