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> Noperthedron (after “Nopert,” a coinage by Murphy that combines “Rupert” and “nope”). A good sense of humor to go with the math.

by dnw 1y ago

867-5309 1y ago
this logical falsehood annoyed me since nopert is no+Rupert, whereas nope+Rupert would in fact be nopepert
- strbean 1y ago
  That's not how portmanteaus work.
  - gary_0 1y ago
    https://xkcd.com/739/ https://xkcd.com/739/
  - stephenlf 1y ago
    Tom7 also has a couple of videos about portmanteaus
  - foobarbecue 1y ago
    Very true. Portmanteaus work by holding your luggage for you.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    This is actually a really interesting point. English portmanteaus usually work by combining all of one word with "half" (broadly construed) of the second word. Nopert fits the pattern precisely, including all of nope and half of Rupert. The reason I find this so interesting is that Mandarin Chinese portmanteaus take a different standard form: instead of combining all of one word with half of the other word, they combine half of one word with half of the other word. Think about how much you'd need to know about the structure of an arbitrary language before you'd feel confident predicting how it creates portmanteaus.
    - foobarbecue 1y ago
      English portmanteaus rarely include all of a word. Motel, smog, brunch, cronut, spork, sitcom, cyborg, Velcro...
      - strbean 1y ago
        I didn't realize the term applied to stuff like `sitcom`, I thought it was a requirement that the result used part of the start of one word and the end of another. TIL!
        thaumasiotes 1y ago
        > I didn't realize the term applied to stuff like `sitcom` It doesn't. You might note that e.g. wiktionary categorizes motel as a "blend", but sitcom as a "shortening".
        foobarbecue 1y ago
        Motel and sitcom are portmanteaus -- they're some of the most common examples used when defining the term "portmanteau" . "Blend" and "shortening" are necessary-but-not-sufficient synonyms for portmanteau. Your error here is that you imply "because it's a blend, it's not a portmanteau." All portmanteaus are blends. All portmanteaus are shortenings. Some blends are portmanteaus. Some shortenings are portmanteaus.
      - thaumasiotes 1y ago
        "Rarely"? Did you do any investigation at all? I meant it when I pointed out that the standard pattern includes all of one of the words. Looking at https://byjus.com/english/portmanteau/ https://byjus.com/english/portmanteau/, because it was easy to find: guesstimate, mocktail, popsicle, breathalyser, athleisure, bromance, frenemy, tragicomic, docudrama, webinar, Medicare, listicle, fanzine, scromelet, chillax, frappuccino, permafrost, staycation, workaholic... guesstimate, bromance, and tragicomic include all of each of their source words. And just by looking at your list, you can see why the norm is to include all of one word - those are difficult to interpret for English speakers. Brunch, spork, and sitcom are well understood, though sitcom is more likely to be seen as an abbreviation than a combination. Probably cronut will be understood too, if someone's looking at one. Motel is obviously related to hotel, plus an inexplicable m. Smog is guessable. Cyborg and Velcro are completely opaque; those are just "words".
  - 867-5309 1y ago
    then choose another word
- pharrington 1y ago
  Portmanton't.
- burkaman 1y ago
  The coiner gets to pick the combination that sounds the best, there is no correct choice. We could have gotten breakfunch and mototel, but some person or collection of people decided that brunch and motel work better.
- jibal 1y ago
  Perhaps you should review what "logical falsehood" means, because that's not one.
  - 867-5309 1y ago
    keep within the context and you'll be fine
pinkmuffinere 1y ago
Tom7 is one of my favorite people, he is hilarious, has an amazing technical depth, and so much whimsy to go along with it. I'll proselytize for him all day! relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4MviUE0_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4MviUE0_s less relevant, but I think my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9WRwCiSr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9WRwCiSr0

> Noperthedron (after “Nopert,” a coinage by Murphy that combines “Rupert” and “nope”). A good sense of humor to go with the math.

by dnw 1y ago

> Noperthedron (after “Nopert,” a coinage by Murphy that combines “Rupert” and “nope”). A good sense of humor to go with the math.

867-5309 1y ago

this logical falsehood annoyed me since nopert is no+Rupert, whereas nope+Rupert would in fact be nopepert

strbean 1y ago
That's not how portmanteaus work.
- gary_0 1y ago
  https://xkcd.com/739/ https://xkcd.com/739/
- stephenlf 1y ago
  Tom7 also has a couple of videos about portmanteaus
- foobarbecue 1y ago
  Very true. Portmanteaus work by holding your luggage for you.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  This is actually a really interesting point. English portmanteaus usually work by combining all of one word with "half" (broadly construed) of the second word. Nopert fits the pattern precisely, including all of nope and half of Rupert. The reason I find this so interesting is that Mandarin Chinese portmanteaus take a different standard form: instead of combining all of one word with half of the other word, they combine half of one word with half of the other word. Think about how much you'd need to know about the structure of an arbitrary language before you'd feel confident predicting how it creates portmanteaus.
  - foobarbecue 1y ago
    English portmanteaus rarely include all of a word. Motel, smog, brunch, cronut, spork, sitcom, cyborg, Velcro...
    - strbean 1y ago
      I didn't realize the term applied to stuff like `sitcom`, I thought it was a requirement that the result used part of the start of one word and the end of another. TIL!
      - thaumasiotes 1y ago
        > I didn't realize the term applied to stuff like `sitcom` It doesn't. You might note that e.g. wiktionary categorizes motel as a "blend", but sitcom as a "shortening".
        foobarbecue 1y ago
        Motel and sitcom are portmanteaus -- they're some of the most common examples used when defining the term "portmanteau" . "Blend" and "shortening" are necessary-but-not-sufficient synonyms for portmanteau. Your error here is that you imply "because it's a blend, it's not a portmanteau." All portmanteaus are blends. All portmanteaus are shortenings. Some blends are portmanteaus. Some shortenings are portmanteaus.
    - thaumasiotes 1y ago
      "Rarely"? Did you do any investigation at all? I meant it when I pointed out that the standard pattern includes all of one of the words. Looking at https://byjus.com/english/portmanteau/ https://byjus.com/english/portmanteau/, because it was easy to find: guesstimate, mocktail, popsicle, breathalyser, athleisure, bromance, frenemy, tragicomic, docudrama, webinar, Medicare, listicle, fanzine, scromelet, chillax, frappuccino, permafrost, staycation, workaholic... guesstimate, bromance, and tragicomic include all of each of their source words. And just by looking at your list, you can see why the norm is to include all of one word - those are difficult to interpret for English speakers. Brunch, spork, and sitcom are well understood, though sitcom is more likely to be seen as an abbreviation than a combination. Probably cronut will be understood too, if someone's looking at one. Motel is obviously related to hotel, plus an inexplicable m. Smog is guessable. Cyborg and Velcro are completely opaque; those are just "words".
- 867-5309 1y ago
  then choose another word
pharrington 1y ago
Portmanton't.
burkaman 1y ago
The coiner gets to pick the combination that sounds the best, there is no correct choice. We could have gotten breakfunch and mototel, but some person or collection of people decided that brunch and motel work better.
jibal 1y ago
Perhaps you should review what "logical falsehood" means, because that's not one.
- 867-5309 1y ago
  keep within the context and you'll be fine

pinkmuffinere 1y ago

Tom7 is one of my favorite people, he is hilarious, has an amazing technical depth, and so much whimsy to go along with it. I'll proselytize for him all day! relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4MviUE0_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4MviUE0_s less relevant, but I think my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9WRwCiSr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9WRwCiSr0