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> many people giving presentations claim that Apple doesn’t ship and plain text editor and tell people to download one to make a basic edit macOS also comes wi

> many people giving presentations claim that Apple doesn’t ship and plain text editor and tell people to download one to make a basic edit macOS also comes with vim btw. Open terminal and then run vim from there. Or use ed. macOS has ed also. And as we know, ed is the standard text editor. https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html

ksherlock 1y ago
Until Catalina, emacs and nano were also included.
- jshier 1y ago
  nano is now an alias for UW pico, since Apple won't take any new versions of GPL tools.
mfro 1y ago
Pico is also still included (and aliased to nano, funnily)
schmidtleonard 1y ago
ed is old, but osx bash is ancient
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  I'm sort of surprised they didn't just build a bash compatible shell.
  - Wowfunhappy 1y ago
    Well, they switched the default shell to zsh.
    - giancarlostoro 1y ago
      That's fair, I use macOS but I wasn't sure if I installed zsh or if it was what it came with, since I also use it on my Linux installs.
jrmg 1y ago
And for a few years now (since ‘real’ emacs was removed, I think) ‘mg’, which is a terminal-based eMacs-alike.
- zie 1y ago
  Ya, they pretty much eradicated everything GPL to avoid any viral licensing problems.
dangus 1y ago
I think I’d also point out that an operating system including or not including a specific piece of software is just not a big deal. The whole point of the operating system is to provide a framework to install other applications. The iPad didn’t include a calculator for, what, over a decade? And it didn’t really matter.
- rkomorn 1y ago
  > The iPad didn’t include a calculator for, what, over a decade? And it didn’t really matter. It made for a lot of ad-powered free calculator apps. I think that part wasn't particularly good for users.
  - jama211 1y ago
    Yes in practice people used either an ad based free calculator app, a web based calculator, their phone, etc. I maintain this isn’t a big deal. Annoying and I’m glad they fixed it, but not a big deal. Or, just pay like $1 or something for a proper app. I bought PCalc anyway, it’s better than the standard app.

ksherlock 1y ago

Until Catalina, emacs and nano were also included.

jshier 1y ago
nano is now an alias for UW pico, since Apple won't take any new versions of GPL tools.

mfro 1y ago

Pico is also still included (and aliased to nano, funnily)

schmidtleonard 1y ago

ed is old, but osx bash is ancient

giancarlostoro 1y ago
I'm sort of surprised they didn't just build a bash compatible shell.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  Well, they switched the default shell to zsh.
  - giancarlostoro 1y ago
    That's fair, I use macOS but I wasn't sure if I installed zsh or if it was what it came with, since I also use it on my Linux installs.

jrmg 1y ago

And for a few years now (since ‘real’ emacs was removed, I think) ‘mg’, which is a terminal-based eMacs-alike.

zie 1y ago
Ya, they pretty much eradicated everything GPL to avoid any viral licensing problems.

dangus 1y ago

I think I’d also point out that an operating system including or not including a specific piece of software is just not a big deal. The whole point of the operating system is to provide a framework to install other applications. The iPad didn’t include a calculator for, what, over a decade? And it didn’t really matter.

rkomorn 1y ago
> The iPad didn’t include a calculator for, what, over a decade? And it didn’t really matter. It made for a lot of ad-powered free calculator apps. I think that part wasn't particularly good for users.
- jama211 1y ago
  Yes in practice people used either an ad based free calculator app, a web based calculator, their phone, etc. I maintain this isn’t a big deal. Annoying and I’m glad they fixed it, but not a big deal. Or, just pay like $1 or something for a proper app. I bought PCalc anyway, it’s better than the standard app.