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Americans cannot accept they have a corrupt government lead by a corrupt politician who is now corrupting the justice system. They prefer to continue propagatin

Americans cannot accept they have a corrupt government lead by a corrupt politician who is now corrupting the justice system. They prefer to continue propagating the myth of a "healthy democracy" and "open market".

leptons 1y ago
I personally do not know any Americans that are as you described. 1/3 of Americans are as you describe, 1/3 are definitely not at all as you described, and another 1/3 is too apathetic to care about anything. The recent "No Kings" protests were the largest in US history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstra...
- RandallBrown 1y ago
  > 1/3 is too apathetic to care about anything I think at least some of that 1/3 has their own problems that prevent them from being able to devote energy to politics
  - taurath 1y ago
    I mean, their problems are politics, they just can’t do anything about them
    - econ 1y ago
      There are many things anyone can do. You are not giving enough credit to the people shutting them down one by one. You won't hear them say they can't do anything.
  - leptons 1y ago
    I know of way too many people that "aren't political" or just don't want to think about it. That's not the same as "having their own problems", that's juvenile behavior.
    - KaiserPro 1y ago
      Worrying about politics is the luxury of chattering classes. Try living on or very near the poverty line, and then try and spend time worrying about politics. You are worrying about much more real (to you) problems. When shit gets bad enough to motivate people on the poverty line, you're in deep shite.
      - antegamisou 1y ago
        This has to be the most American thing I've ever read: the cognitive dissonance of the disconnect between income inequality and political systems.
      - silverquiet 1y ago
        I've got a (probably former at this point) buddy who makes less than $15K/year. He seems to have lots of time to listen to right wing propaganda podcasts and likes telling "jokes" about how minorities are problematic. He was never really interested in politics when we were growing up and I suspect never voted before 2024. Poor people have interests and opinions too.
      - anigbrowl 1y ago
        Lots of poor people are politically active. Treating politics as some sort of vanity hobby for the reasonably well off is equivalent to saying that the working class doesn't have any meaningful political opinions. Maybe you meant they don't have time for obsessing over politics as an end in itself, but in my experience the majority of working class people have an interest in and opinions about politics, even if they're alienated rather than enthusiastic about political participation.
        KaiserPro 1y ago
        I should be more clear. My point is the sneering at the ~30% who are not politically engaged. A boat load of meaningful change comes from working class agitation, but most of the political noise comes from the chattering classes, who have the luxury of creating cliques online, making and then banning phrases. Of course the working classes have valid opinions. The issue is, unlike thier richer friends, they are living the discrimination that both left and right claim to endure. This leaves little time for mass organisation.
  - tadfisher 1y ago
    This is measured via election participation, so a confounding factor is the recent uptick in voter suppression tactics; these tactics are employed most visibly in states with large minority populations (e.g. states in the Deep South). These tactics include: consolidating polling places in urban areas; restricting the ability to submit an absentee ballot or otherwise vote by mail; restricting early voting; voter ID laws; and "poll watchers" who intimidate those at polling places, sometimes illegally. Moreover, those forced to vote in-person at polling places are not given time off from employment to do so. This overwhelmingly disenfranchises the working class, who just so happen to overwhelmingly vote for progressive policies that favor the working class over the middle/upper classes.
  - GolfPopper 1y ago
    They may also have been drawn into the all-too-tempting position of not opposing raw corrupt authoritarianism because the opposition party (the Democratic Party) and pre-Trump America both have deep flaws that are largely ignored.
- Terr_ 1y ago
  Exactly. Very few Americans are out there actively "promoting the myth" right now that aren't ideologically aligned with the current Republican administration. That's a distinct (if significant) minority. Also, while I believe more Americans should be protesting, people in other countries (like myself, at one point) may have an inaccurate idea about what heavy US protest "ought to" look like in the media they see. We'd love to be protesting at the iconic White House and federal Capitol building, creating horizon-to-horizon crowds for the rest of the world to marvel at... But for me (and ~40% of the population) that's a 3500-3700 km trip. How often would you expect someone in Portugal to travel the distance to Moscow for a day of protest? (Worse, assume no good trains.) Instead, we gather at local state locations, which will typically not get shown (or recognized) internationally, except when folded into a sentence about how "millions protested across the nation."
gjsman-1000 1y ago
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- bradhe 1y ago
  > political violence being much more common historically than racial or other forms of violence This is true if you take a very loose definition of "political violence" lol and probably just disingenuous at best.
consumer451 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias explains so much of our world.
mulmen 1y ago
This is obviously false based on widespread protests and constant criticism. If you can’t find Americans who oppose Trump’s regime it’s because you don’t want to.
jpadkins 1y ago
The choice was between two corrupt options (same as its been for a long time). There is a lot of evidence coming out that the Biden administration was corrupting the justice system, FBI, and foreign relations for the benefit of the DNC and his family. Honestly, the billionaire is less corrupt-able than the DNC nexus (we all know Biden wasn't running the show, and neither would Harris).
- piva00 1y ago
  > Honestly, the billionaire is less corrupt-able than the DNC nexus This is satire, right?
  - antegamisou 1y ago
    The grandparent comment shouldn't be wondering about anything now, should they....
- timeon 1y ago
  > billionaire is less corrupt Why would you think that? Do you think that presents from foreign dictators (like plane or investment in crypto fund) are less corrupt?
- afavour 1y ago
  > There is a lot of evidence coming out that the Biden administration was corrupting the justice system This kind of vague fluffy language is becoming very common. What evidence? Where is it coming out from?
  - selfmodruntime 1y ago
    Not a fan of the other guy but keeping a decrepit old man from the press because you know he can‘t do the job, all while - surprise surprise - the exact same guy who is older than my grandpa when he died gets diagnosed with a long time form of stage 4 bone cancer that can‘t possibly have gone unnoticed while he was having access to presidential healthcare is kind of a big deal.
seviu 1y ago
You would be surprised… Regarding CZ and Binance and the Trumps, they have kind of a symbiotic relationship. After Binance and CZ pleaded guilty to money laundering in November 2023, for which they paid over $4 billions in fines, WLFI (which is a clone of AAVE belonging to the Trump family) launched a stablecoin called USD1. Magically on March 2025, $2 billion flowed into Binance through MGX, a state backed Abu Dhabi fund, later revealed to have been paid in USD1 (two months before it was unveiled and without at the time no effective audits), effectively propping WLFI’s coin (backed, unbacked, nobody knows, I assume backed). CZ applied for a presidential pardon inmediately after in May 2025. WLFI now gets to earn about $60–80 million per year in yield from the USD1… …As long as Binance doesn’t redeem those $2 billion. I still don’t know what MGX got out of this deal, but I am pretty sure they didn’t walk empty handed.
- meowface 1y ago
  For anyone unaware, financial fraud investigation YouTuber Coffeezilla just released a good video laying this all out a few hours ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJTORMVN4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJTORMVN4
tastyfreeze 1y ago
Even if you accept it, what are you going to do? Violence is not an acceptable option for most people. So, we carry on.
- coliveira 1y ago
  So you're saying that if people do accept it then nothing can be done, so better not to accept it and continue to live in a fairy tale controlled by criminals? I don't get it.
  - tastyfreeze 1y ago
    No. To make changes you have to participate or vote. But, if you dont like what we have now you are stuck with it until elections come up. No amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that. So, you just keep doing what you are doing because now is not the time we can make changes.
    - coliveira 1y ago
      The time to make changes will never come because this is a corrupt system, voting means less and less each year.
      - tastyfreeze 1y ago
        If you take that stance you have concluded that it is futile or the only way to make change is through violence. If that is your conclusion we have already lost. When violence starts there is no telling how it shakes out or how many die. That is why rational people will avoid it as long as possible.

leptons 1y ago

I personally do not know any Americans that are as you described. 1/3 of Americans are as you describe, 1/3 are definitely not at all as you described, and another 1/3 is too apathetic to care about anything. The recent "No Kings" protests were the largest in US history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstra...

RandallBrown 1y ago
> 1/3 is too apathetic to care about anything I think at least some of that 1/3 has their own problems that prevent them from being able to devote energy to politics
- taurath 1y ago
  I mean, their problems are politics, they just can’t do anything about them
  - econ 1y ago
    There are many things anyone can do. You are not giving enough credit to the people shutting them down one by one. You won't hear them say they can't do anything.
- leptons 1y ago
  I know of way too many people that "aren't political" or just don't want to think about it. That's not the same as "having their own problems", that's juvenile behavior.
  - KaiserPro 1y ago
    Worrying about politics is the luxury of chattering classes. Try living on or very near the poverty line, and then try and spend time worrying about politics. You are worrying about much more real (to you) problems. When shit gets bad enough to motivate people on the poverty line, you're in deep shite.
    - antegamisou 1y ago
      This has to be the most American thing I've ever read: the cognitive dissonance of the disconnect between income inequality and political systems.
    - silverquiet 1y ago
      I've got a (probably former at this point) buddy who makes less than $15K/year. He seems to have lots of time to listen to right wing propaganda podcasts and likes telling "jokes" about how minorities are problematic. He was never really interested in politics when we were growing up and I suspect never voted before 2024. Poor people have interests and opinions too.
    - anigbrowl 1y ago
      Lots of poor people are politically active. Treating politics as some sort of vanity hobby for the reasonably well off is equivalent to saying that the working class doesn't have any meaningful political opinions. Maybe you meant they don't have time for obsessing over politics as an end in itself, but in my experience the majority of working class people have an interest in and opinions about politics, even if they're alienated rather than enthusiastic about political participation.
      - KaiserPro 1y ago
        I should be more clear. My point is the sneering at the ~30% who are not politically engaged. A boat load of meaningful change comes from working class agitation, but most of the political noise comes from the chattering classes, who have the luxury of creating cliques online, making and then banning phrases. Of course the working classes have valid opinions. The issue is, unlike thier richer friends, they are living the discrimination that both left and right claim to endure. This leaves little time for mass organisation.
- tadfisher 1y ago
  This is measured via election participation, so a confounding factor is the recent uptick in voter suppression tactics; these tactics are employed most visibly in states with large minority populations (e.g. states in the Deep South). These tactics include: consolidating polling places in urban areas; restricting the ability to submit an absentee ballot or otherwise vote by mail; restricting early voting; voter ID laws; and "poll watchers" who intimidate those at polling places, sometimes illegally. Moreover, those forced to vote in-person at polling places are not given time off from employment to do so. This overwhelmingly disenfranchises the working class, who just so happen to overwhelmingly vote for progressive policies that favor the working class over the middle/upper classes.
- GolfPopper 1y ago
  They may also have been drawn into the all-too-tempting position of not opposing raw corrupt authoritarianism because the opposition party (the Democratic Party) and pre-Trump America both have deep flaws that are largely ignored.
Terr_ 1y ago
Exactly. Very few Americans are out there actively "promoting the myth" right now that aren't ideologically aligned with the current Republican administration. That's a distinct (if significant) minority. Also, while I believe more Americans should be protesting, people in other countries (like myself, at one point) may have an inaccurate idea about what heavy US protest "ought to" look like in the media they see. We'd love to be protesting at the iconic White House and federal Capitol building, creating horizon-to-horizon crowds for the rest of the world to marvel at... But for me (and ~40% of the population) that's a 3500-3700 km trip. How often would you expect someone in Portugal to travel the distance to Moscow for a day of protest? (Worse, assume no good trains.) Instead, we gather at local state locations, which will typically not get shown (or recognized) internationally, except when folded into a sentence about how "millions protested across the nation."

gjsman-1000 1y ago

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bradhe 1y ago
> political violence being much more common historically than racial or other forms of violence This is true if you take a very loose definition of "political violence" lol and probably just disingenuous at best.

consumer451 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias explains so much of our world.

mulmen 1y ago

This is obviously false based on widespread protests and constant criticism. If you can’t find Americans who oppose Trump’s regime it’s because you don’t want to.

jpadkins 1y ago

The choice was between two corrupt options (same as its been for a long time). There is a lot of evidence coming out that the Biden administration was corrupting the justice system, FBI, and foreign relations for the benefit of the DNC and his family. Honestly, the billionaire is less corrupt-able than the DNC nexus (we all know Biden wasn't running the show, and neither would Harris).

piva00 1y ago
> Honestly, the billionaire is less corrupt-able than the DNC nexus This is satire, right?
- antegamisou 1y ago
  The grandparent comment shouldn't be wondering about anything now, should they....
timeon 1y ago
> billionaire is less corrupt Why would you think that? Do you think that presents from foreign dictators (like plane or investment in crypto fund) are less corrupt?
afavour 1y ago
> There is a lot of evidence coming out that the Biden administration was corrupting the justice system This kind of vague fluffy language is becoming very common. What evidence? Where is it coming out from?
- selfmodruntime 1y ago
  Not a fan of the other guy but keeping a decrepit old man from the press because you know he can‘t do the job, all while - surprise surprise - the exact same guy who is older than my grandpa when he died gets diagnosed with a long time form of stage 4 bone cancer that can‘t possibly have gone unnoticed while he was having access to presidential healthcare is kind of a big deal.

seviu 1y ago

You would be surprised… Regarding CZ and Binance and the Trumps, they have kind of a symbiotic relationship. After Binance and CZ pleaded guilty to money laundering in November 2023, for which they paid over $4 billions in fines, WLFI (which is a clone of AAVE belonging to the Trump family) launched a stablecoin called USD1. Magically on March 2025, $2 billion flowed into Binance through MGX, a state backed Abu Dhabi fund, later revealed to have been paid in USD1 (two months before it was unveiled and without at the time no effective audits), effectively propping WLFI’s coin (backed, unbacked, nobody knows, I assume backed). CZ applied for a presidential pardon inmediately after in May 2025. WLFI now gets to earn about $60–80 million per year in yield from the USD1… …As long as Binance doesn’t redeem those $2 billion. I still don’t know what MGX got out of this deal, but I am pretty sure they didn’t walk empty handed.

meowface 1y ago
For anyone unaware, financial fraud investigation YouTuber Coffeezilla just released a good video laying this all out a few hours ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJTORMVN4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJTORMVN4

tastyfreeze 1y ago

Even if you accept it, what are you going to do? Violence is not an acceptable option for most people. So, we carry on.

coliveira 1y ago
So you're saying that if people do accept it then nothing can be done, so better not to accept it and continue to live in a fairy tale controlled by criminals? I don't get it.
- tastyfreeze 1y ago
  No. To make changes you have to participate or vote. But, if you dont like what we have now you are stuck with it until elections come up. No amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that. So, you just keep doing what you are doing because now is not the time we can make changes.
  - coliveira 1y ago
    The time to make changes will never come because this is a corrupt system, voting means less and less each year.
    - tastyfreeze 1y ago
      If you take that stance you have concluded that it is futile or the only way to make change is through violence. If that is your conclusion we have already lost. When violence starts there is no telling how it shakes out or how many die. That is why rational people will avoid it as long as possible.