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Do you think they will let the Democrats take control given the risk to them if they take control? I see Gerrymandering after the supreme court annuls the votin

Do you think they will let the Democrats take control given the risk to them if they take control? I see Gerrymandering after the supreme court annuls the voting rights acts. And then more shennanigans for a third term.

seanmcdirmid 1y ago
That's why I premised this with "If America survives at all". There is definitely a possibility that the whole country just falls apart. A constitutional convention is more of a best case scenario. Gerrymandering is only relevant for congressional house elections, it can't protect the senate and doesn't influence the presidency. Usually one party will take control of all three branches in a huge swing in power, the house is the just the first to flip usually because it is re-elected every 2 years.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > constitutional convention is more of a best case scenario Constitutional Convention is the abort button. It means giving a group of people basically limitless power to amend our Constitution, which in practice, means to do anything to the law. If we called one today, with most states in Republican hands [1], we’d be essentially handing complete control of our government—over and above the Constitution—to the GOP. [1] https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/state-partisan-composition https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/state-partisan...
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Constitutional Convention is the abort button. It means giving a group of people basically limitless power to amend our Constitution No, it doesn’t. It gives a group of people basically limitless power to propose Amendments to the Constitution. Any Amendments so proposed still require 3/4 of states to ratify them, either by votes of their legislature or by ratification conventions called in the states (at the option of Congress when calling the Convention at the request of states.) Unless by "group of people" you mean not just the people in the national convention, but the people in the state legislatures or conventions, as well. But, at that point, you might as well say that by including an amendment process, the Constitution itself “gives a group of people basically limitless power to amend our Constitution”.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > It gives a group of people basically limitless power to propose Amendments to the Constitution Sorry, I actually missed this. Thank you for clarifying. (I mixed it up with the New York State process, where the Convention's proposals go straight to popular ratification.)

seanmcdirmid 1y ago

That's why I premised this with "If America survives at all". There is definitely a possibility that the whole country just falls apart. A constitutional convention is more of a best case scenario. Gerrymandering is only relevant for congressional house elections, it can't protect the senate and doesn't influence the presidency. Usually one party will take control of all three branches in a huge swing in power, the house is the just the first to flip usually because it is re-elected every 2 years.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> constitutional convention is more of a best case scenario Constitutional Convention is the abort button. It means giving a group of people basically limitless power to amend our Constitution, which in practice, means to do anything to the law. If we called one today, with most states in Republican hands [1], we’d be essentially handing complete control of our government—over and above the Constitution—to the GOP. [1] https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/state-partisan-composition https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/state-partisan...
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Constitutional Convention is the abort button. It means giving a group of people basically limitless power to amend our Constitution No, it doesn’t. It gives a group of people basically limitless power to propose Amendments to the Constitution. Any Amendments so proposed still require 3/4 of states to ratify them, either by votes of their legislature or by ratification conventions called in the states (at the option of Congress when calling the Convention at the request of states.) Unless by "group of people" you mean not just the people in the national convention, but the people in the state legislatures or conventions, as well. But, at that point, you might as well say that by including an amendment process, the Constitution itself “gives a group of people basically limitless power to amend our Constitution”.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > It gives a group of people basically limitless power to propose Amendments to the Constitution Sorry, I actually missed this. Thank you for clarifying. (I mixed it up with the New York State process, where the Convention's proposals go straight to popular ratification.)