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Reading weirdly many “but there are no clients” posts. Of course something has to come first. You can’t really develop a client without a server implementation

Reading weirdly many “but there are no clients” posts. Of course something has to come first. You can’t really develop a client without a server implementation and Stalwart is essentially the first server implementation of JMAP. With Stalwart in place, there’s finally a reason to develop a client for JMAP. I hope y’all are aware that Mozilla’s new mail service will use it, so that is likely going to give JMAP a big push!

tristan957 1y ago
There are clients. I use one called aerc.
calvinmorrison 1y ago
Cyrus was probably the first
audelair 1y ago
I'm cautiously optimistic that Stalwart is a game-changer. I would normally stick with a simpler platform (like mox) if I wasn't interested in the groupware space. I've previously tried Nextcloud and SoGo and left disappointed, and have more or less been waiting for a project like this to come along. Nextcloud was such a terrible experience for me (the file sharing/storage was good, but the groupware aspect was incredibly buggy). But knowing that Nextcloud is partnering with Stalwart to hopefully overhaul their stack, Opencloud is developing their JMAP integration, and Mozilla/Thunderbird is using it too (they already have a webmail in development here: https://github.com/thunderbird/stormbox https://github.com/thunderbird/stormbox)... we might finally see some exciting development in this space. And now is also a ripe time, as there seems to be a perfect storm of people wanting to get away from Big Tech platforms.
AndrewDavis 1y ago
> Stalwart is essentially the first server implementation of JMAP Just to clarify. Stalwart is the first to have JMAP contacts and calendars. Cyrus has had JMAP mail since the beginning of JMAP.
philipwhiuk 1y ago
Stalwart isn't the first implementation of JMAP. It's the first implementation of JMAP applied to stuff other than Mail.
WhyNotHugo 1y ago
I implemented support for JMAP calendars in Pimsync recently. You can now synchosise any combination of CalDAV, JMAP, and filesystem.
no_wizard 1y ago
if I recall correctly FastMail uses JMAP already in production. They were one of the co-authors of the RFC behind it as well

tristan957 1y ago

There are clients. I use one called aerc.

calvinmorrison 1y ago

Cyrus was probably the first

audelair 1y ago

I'm cautiously optimistic that Stalwart is a game-changer. I would normally stick with a simpler platform (like mox) if I wasn't interested in the groupware space. I've previously tried Nextcloud and SoGo and left disappointed, and have more or less been waiting for a project like this to come along. Nextcloud was such a terrible experience for me (the file sharing/storage was good, but the groupware aspect was incredibly buggy). But knowing that Nextcloud is partnering with Stalwart to hopefully overhaul their stack, Opencloud is developing their JMAP integration, and Mozilla/Thunderbird is using it too (they already have a webmail in development here: https://github.com/thunderbird/stormbox https://github.com/thunderbird/stormbox)... we might finally see some exciting development in this space. And now is also a ripe time, as there seems to be a perfect storm of people wanting to get away from Big Tech platforms.

AndrewDavis 1y ago

> Stalwart is essentially the first server implementation of JMAP Just to clarify. Stalwart is the first to have JMAP contacts and calendars. Cyrus has had JMAP mail since the beginning of JMAP.

philipwhiuk 1y ago

Stalwart isn't the first implementation of JMAP. It's the first implementation of JMAP applied to stuff other than Mail.

WhyNotHugo 1y ago

I implemented support for JMAP calendars in Pimsync recently. You can now synchosise any combination of CalDAV, JMAP, and filesystem.

no_wizard 1y ago

if I recall correctly FastMail uses JMAP already in production. They were one of the co-authors of the RFC behind it as well