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Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are

Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are using Opera? Today, more than 275 million people are using Opera every month."

artursapek 14y ago
Every month? I wonder how many of those are developers testing their stuff ;) I'd rather see a number of users who have set it as their default browser.
ceejayoz 14y ago
And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?
- ComputerGuru 14y ago
  My site shows Opera at 4%, above Safari at 3.6%.
- mpd 14y ago
  In my experience, Opera gets significant usage in non-English-speaking countries. I read at one point (several years ago, so grain of salt) that 25% of Russian users were using Opera. That said, our own traffic shows 0.80% Opera users, which puts it just above RockMelt. It's silly to actively filter them out as MySpace is doing here, but would be equally as silly (for us at least) to devote any resources to dealing with any Opera-specific issues, until the usage stats justify it.
  - rplnt 14y ago
    Yes, if you look at http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/ and select individual countries you can see that Opera is strong in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia. There are historical reasons for that (just my opinion, see bellow) and also the fact that Opera had/has Turbo - which really helps on slow connections (mobile). So if you run US-focused site, there isn't really reason to care about Opera, and test for it. Blocking it (or any other browser) is bad though. The "historical reasons": Opera was by any means the best (serious) browser out there, but it was paid. People in these countries weren't paying for software anyway, because their income was well bellow western standards while prices were same, and as a bonus, there was no one who would care. So while someone on the west would rather use something free (like IE), people in (for example) Ukraine picked the best. That's why first decent browser (Firefox) took over the west so fast.
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago
  I use Opera Mini (or is it mobile?) on my old phone - they have a system that routes request through their own caches that downscales/downsamples images, removes cruft, etc. before the pages hit the mobile device. I imagine that means they get under-represented in hit figures (but not by that much). Looking at hits is doing it wrong - profit is where it's at, what proportion of profits come from Opera users. [For example, hypothetically, they might be highly paid trend setters and amount for a disproportionately large profit share on a fashion site or such.]
- thenomad 14y ago
  I'm showing Opera as 1.61%. Yeah, still not exactly massive.
- lazyjones 14y ago
  5.06% here (Austria) by IP addresses (10440 out of 206384 in 24h). That's not counting those Opera users who switched their User-Agent string to MSIE or similar because of stupid JS detection like MySpace's.

artursapek 14y ago

Every month? I wonder how many of those are developers testing their stuff ;) I'd rather see a number of users who have set it as their default browser.

ceejayoz 14y ago

And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?

ComputerGuru 14y ago
My site shows Opera at 4%, above Safari at 3.6%.
mpd 14y ago
In my experience, Opera gets significant usage in non-English-speaking countries. I read at one point (several years ago, so grain of salt) that 25% of Russian users were using Opera. That said, our own traffic shows 0.80% Opera users, which puts it just above RockMelt. It's silly to actively filter them out as MySpace is doing here, but would be equally as silly (for us at least) to devote any resources to dealing with any Opera-specific issues, until the usage stats justify it.
- rplnt 14y ago
  Yes, if you look at http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/ and select individual countries you can see that Opera is strong in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia. There are historical reasons for that (just my opinion, see bellow) and also the fact that Opera had/has Turbo - which really helps on slow connections (mobile). So if you run US-focused site, there isn't really reason to care about Opera, and test for it. Blocking it (or any other browser) is bad though. The "historical reasons": Opera was by any means the best (serious) browser out there, but it was paid. People in these countries weren't paying for software anyway, because their income was well bellow western standards while prices were same, and as a bonus, there was no one who would care. So while someone on the west would rather use something free (like IE), people in (for example) Ukraine picked the best. That's why first decent browser (Firefox) took over the west so fast.
pbhjpbhj 14y ago
I use Opera Mini (or is it mobile?) on my old phone - they have a system that routes request through their own caches that downscales/downsamples images, removes cruft, etc. before the pages hit the mobile device. I imagine that means they get under-represented in hit figures (but not by that much). Looking at hits is doing it wrong - profit is where it's at, what proportion of profits come from Opera users. [For example, hypothetically, they might be highly paid trend setters and amount for a disproportionately large profit share on a fashion site or such.]
thenomad 14y ago
I'm showing Opera as 1.61%. Yeah, still not exactly massive.
lazyjones 14y ago
5.06% here (Austria) by IP addresses (10440 out of 206384 in 24h). That's not counting those Opera users who switched their User-Agent string to MSIE or similar because of stupid JS detection like MySpace's.