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As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the <video>-tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo.3E_element http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

artursapek 14y ago
I hate it when design agencies try this hard to be cool.
- webXL 14y ago
  Or just try. Go do something else if you're not.
- joshryandavis 14y ago
  Their audience is people who still use Myspace.
  - pbhjpbhj 14y ago
    Isn't that the complement (in the maths/logic sense) of their target audience for the redesign? Surely they're trying to attract new users or those who've drifted/moved/run away from MySpace.
    - sjwright 14y ago
      And that worked great for digg. Three times.
- DigitalSea 14y ago
  I'll pass on your humbling words to the design team, I'm sure they'll appreciate your words. They put a lot of hard work into the redesign, they're not trying to be anything. What you see is a refreshing take on a social site and although I am biased because I work for the agency that designed (as a developer) it doesn't take a designer to see this is the best MySpace has ever looked. It's condescending comments like these that give HN a bad name. Let me know when you redesign a large social site like MySpace and then we'll talk.
  - artursapek 14y ago
    I didn't say anything about the main design. Look at that browser message and tell me it isn't stupid.
    - carlisle_ 14y ago
      Looks pretty harmless to me. I dunno why people are getting so worked up over it.
    - deleted 14y ago
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  - prawn 14y ago
    Wait, the guy's complaining about condescending browser-fail messages and you have a go at him for writing something condescending? That's entirely independent of the design (which I like).
    - DigitalSea 14y ago
      Oh, my apologies. HN didn't show me the context in which the comment was said, so it just appeared to be a general fact-less stab. Please ignore my comment.
  - dronacharya 14y ago
    Not so fast! a) You don't really use HN that often b) You're accessing HN from your grandpa's computer on IE3 c) You work for a REALLY big corporation If you chose a) or b), there's still hope! Just smile ( :-) ) and you'll soon be enjoying HN like it's '96
rdevnull 14y ago
well seriously thou why would someone use opera ...
- phyalow 14y ago
  /s?
- deleted 14y ago
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- recursive 14y ago
  Maybe they wanted to browse the web?
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago
  I've always found Opera to be innovative and easy to use. They seem to get their default styling right too. Personally I use Firefox as my main browser but that's because their web dev tools won me over first and now I'm entrenched. Sync between a very good mobile and a desktop browser would seem to be a good reason - if their Android browser didn't force close on me so much I'd be tempted towards using Opera on the desktop for non-dev stuff.
notatoad 14y ago
Opera doesn't support websockets. I'm sure some socket.IO fans will tell me that's not a big deal, but it kind of is. modern browsers support websockets. and i know, this demo doesn't use it and will work fine in opera if you spoof the UA, but it's a lot easier to develop if you pick a feature set you're going to support, and skim out any browsers that don't support that feature set.
- csours 14y ago
  Or you could just use the features you want to use and try to fail gracefully when you can't. (Old IE could be a special case, as it is solid chunk of FUBAR.)
  - notatoad 14y ago
    Sure, you could do that if you had unlimited developer time and people using old browsers are an important market. but that isn't always reality, you've got to choose where to focus your efforts.
    - ricardobeat 14y ago
      No, you don't need unlimited developer time to do feature detection. It's just good practice, after it's ingrained it doesn't take any more time than not doing it.
      - __abc 14y ago
        Don't mix "development cost" with "overall support cost". Overall support will include specific feature testing, regression testing, and user testing. Additionally, support tickets may be opened and introduce support costs in ticket management, escalation, and assessment.
        ricardobeat 14y ago
        Don't provide any extra support? "Your browser is not supported/you are on your own" is much better than denying access. Eventually people will start spoofing just to get in, and then you have a much worse problem in your hands. You know the Opera story. There is no excuse to block user agents unless it's commercial software with support contracts on the line.
ghshephard 14y ago
Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are using Opera? Today, more than 275 million people are using Opera every month."
- artursapek 14y ago
  Every month? I wonder how many of those are developers testing their stuff ;) I'd rather see a number of users who have set it as their default browser.
- ceejayoz 14y ago
  And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?
  - ComputerGuru 14y ago
    My site shows Opera at 4%, above Safari at 3.6%.
  - mpd 14y ago
    In my experience, Opera gets significant usage in non-English-speaking countries. I read at one point (several years ago, so grain of salt) that 25% of Russian users were using Opera. That said, our own traffic shows 0.80% Opera users, which puts it just above RockMelt. It's silly to actively filter them out as MySpace is doing here, but would be equally as silly (for us at least) to devote any resources to dealing with any Opera-specific issues, until the usage stats justify it.
    - rplnt 14y ago
      Yes, if you look at http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/ and select individual countries you can see that Opera is strong in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia. There are historical reasons for that (just my opinion, see bellow) and also the fact that Opera had/has Turbo - which really helps on slow connections (mobile). So if you run US-focused site, there isn't really reason to care about Opera, and test for it. Blocking it (or any other browser) is bad though. The "historical reasons": Opera was by any means the best (serious) browser out there, but it was paid. People in these countries weren't paying for software anyway, because their income was well bellow western standards while prices were same, and as a bonus, there was no one who would care. So while someone on the west would rather use something free (like IE), people in (for example) Ukraine picked the best. That's why first decent browser (Firefox) took over the west so fast.
epidemian 14y ago
Totally agreed. What annoys me the most it that they are doing browser sniffing on the server side based on the user-agent, instead of feature detection on the client side. Talk about being updated. $ curl -i --user-agent 'Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.10.289 Version/12.02' https://new.myspace.com/ HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily X-Powered-By: Express Vary: Accept-Encoding Content-Type: text/html Location: https://new.myspace.com/browser X-Response-Time: 1ms Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:53:34 GMT Connection: keep-alive Transfer-Encoding: chunked <p>Moved Temporarily. Redirecting to <a href="https://new.myspace.com/browser">https://new.myspace.com/browser</a></p>
- epidemian 14y ago
  Erratum: s/updated/outdated/
  - Flimm 14y ago
    You can edit your comments.
    - chris_wot 14y ago
      Not after 12 hours.
mparlane 14y ago
The biggest hit to your esteem should be that there is space for a fourth browser icon there, they probably added Opera and then removed it when they realized it wasn't a modern browser after all.
luriel 14y ago
The Web 2.0 craze is leading us back to the "Best viewed with" insanity of the 90's. And is only going to get worse, with WebGL is not just "Sorry your browser is not supported, please download a different one.", but "Your video card drivers are not supported, buy new hardware and/or install a different Operating System"
- lazyjones 14y ago
  We've had this all the time since the 90's with Flash being required, only we couldn't tell because it was duct-taped onto all major browsers all that time. Turn off Flash and see how many sites require it (because of bad codec choice / lack of alternative ways of viewing embedded videos, because of crappy ads without fallback images so you get popups/warnings about missing plugins etc.).
- jenius 14y ago
  So what exactly do you propose? That we just halt all technological innovation on the web so that people that don't feel better about having old browsers and/or computers? This is a ridiculous idea, and a ridiculous comment. I'm a web developer and I'm so excited about making awesome things and the fact that the web is evolving and enabling us to do this, and share our creations with the world. People like you and comments like this drive me crazy. That being said, I don't think that you should just put up a blanket disabled site announcement when it's not necessary (as is the case with opera here), but if your computer or browser is actually missing capabilities because it's too old, that's too bad - you just don't get cool things. Upgrade or move on.
  - SkyMarshal 14y ago
    >So what exactly do you propose? That we just halt all technological innovation on the web so that people that don't feel better about having old browsers and/or computers? Straw man. >This is a ridiculous idea, and a ridiculous comment. He didn't propose anything, just stated the problem. You're the one putting words in his mouth and jumping to overwrought conclusions. Relax dude.
reddiric 14y ago
About to post the exact same thing http://i.imgur.com/DO5Kb.png http://i.imgur.com/DO5Kb.png And what's with the condescending list? Excuse my vulgarity but the page managed to be insulting, clueless, and factually inaccurate all at the same time. Here's how it reads to me: a) Fuck you. b) Fuck you. c) Yes I do, a big technology company where I can install whatever software I need working on harder technical problems than getting Myspace working cross-browser and I use Opera at home too so fuck you.
- dboat 14y ago
  I think you and others are really being overly sensitive about this. Yes, they probably shouldn't have called your favourite browser outdated, but it's obvious that it was an oversight, and consequence of taking an informal tone with giving a message. A message necessitated by choosing not to support the major browser with the smallest market share in their "preview" release. I like it when larger, more corporate sites go for an informal tone, even if they don't completely nail the humour they might have been striving for. It's a better direction overall than a stuffy PR-speak message, and getting bent out of shape about it just seems like an overreaction.
  - ryanmolden 14y ago
    There is a middle ground, it is called a simple, straight forward message, something like "We don't support your browser". No shark needed, no suggestions that the user "doesn't use the internet much" or are "at their parent's house". Though the idea of MySpace trying to put on a hipster front is hilarious in the irony. Really? MySpace still exists as an actual thing?
    - esrauch 14y ago
      Except that many IE8 users don't even know what a browser is. That isn't an euphemism, they literally don't know the word "browser". There message as displayed conveys the message better than "We don't support your browser" to those people, and there are more of those people than there are Opera users.
matmann2001 14y ago
I was also rather put off by this condescending message. Excuse me for using a browser that provides an enjoyable Internet experience.
anotherblue 14y ago
Interesting... It works just fine in IE 10...
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ChuckMcM 14y ago
I can so relate. The first startup I joined post Sun was a place called GolfWeb, which was a website dedicated to Golf enthusiasts and it was, in 1995, the top dedicated Golf site on the Internet. We had all sorts of Java plans, except only a few of the people coming to the site had Java, and RealAudio plans, but the same story. The great masses were all AOL customers it seemed and not all of them had a browser that could display tables correctly! As publishing site you had to shoot for the lowest common denominator in order to reach the most customers. That is still a good strategy, sites that can shrug off features that aren't supported but still get the message across. Maybe MySpace will get that message.
shortlived 14y ago
Yes, the message could perhaps be targeted at Opera specifically, but what else do you want when your browser IS the minority on the web? If you've ever shipped software you know the time will come when you have to cut your list down. How do you make the justification for supporting Opera? And like notatoad says, it's not just a matter of adding some JS, you need to test, etc.
protolif 14y ago
Opera excludes itself, by making its software difficult for developers to support. Most people have never even heard of Opera. So why should developers bother? Where's the value?
- angry-hacker 14y ago
  Well if you care about majority of Ukraine and Russian users you better support Opera, I'm sure there are more countries where Opera is popular but in those 2 if has the market lead.
mibbitier 14y ago
Opera is full of nonstandard irritating mishmashes of stupid. Their market share has been under 1% for years, so it's really not worth any website worrying about.
robinduckett 14y ago
You (or someone else reaping sweet karma) already posted this comment on reddit. As a computer scientist who uses the most modern browsers, I haven't had Opera installed SINCE 2007. As a web developer, opera has always been last to implement things, even when opera had been the one to propose new features. Opera just does not have the same support for HTML5 as the ones listed. If you're going to use a Hipster's browser, don't be surprised when you're forgotten about. Also, if you're so offended, complain to the MySpace marketing team.
- rplnt 14y ago
  > opera has always been last to implement things Except when it wasn't, right? Sorry, but this is a complete lie.
sunkencity 14y ago
Doesn't that say more about Opera than Myspace? It even works in lynx. https://twitter.com/tuxtux/status/250605928691417088/photo/1/large https://twitter.com/tuxtux/status/250605928691417088/photo/1...
- jarek 14y ago
  Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. What that actually says is that they're explicitly blocking Opera by the user-agent string, and haven't bothered blocking Lynx. As pointed out elsewhere in comments here, the page actually works just fine in Opera when you tell it to spoof the user-agent string to pretend it's Firefox.
  - sunkencity 14y ago
    Yeah, it's pretty a bad practice blocking on user agent. Re: Opera - I just think it's a pain and an unwanted cost to support Opera. Though my dislike for Opera comes mainly from having developed mobile apps for a long time and having to deal with debugging though their "enhancing" proxy.
    - jarek 14y ago
      These days I have no problem with sites who don't want to support some users, that's their call. I wouldn't recommend suggesting the users must not use the internet very often though.
exterm 14y ago
I want to add the fact that it works just fine when spoofing the user agent. "Identify as Firefox" setting in Opera.
robbyvalles 14y ago
opera 12 is supported now, just pushed
- jarek 14y ago
  Thank you.

artursapek 14y ago

I hate it when design agencies try this hard to be cool.

webXL 14y ago
Or just try. Go do something else if you're not.
joshryandavis 14y ago
Their audience is people who still use Myspace.
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago
  Isn't that the complement (in the maths/logic sense) of their target audience for the redesign? Surely they're trying to attract new users or those who've drifted/moved/run away from MySpace.
  - sjwright 14y ago
    And that worked great for digg. Three times.
DigitalSea 14y ago
I'll pass on your humbling words to the design team, I'm sure they'll appreciate your words. They put a lot of hard work into the redesign, they're not trying to be anything. What you see is a refreshing take on a social site and although I am biased because I work for the agency that designed (as a developer) it doesn't take a designer to see this is the best MySpace has ever looked. It's condescending comments like these that give HN a bad name. Let me know when you redesign a large social site like MySpace and then we'll talk.
- artursapek 14y ago
  I didn't say anything about the main design. Look at that browser message and tell me it isn't stupid.
  - carlisle_ 14y ago
    Looks pretty harmless to me. I dunno why people are getting so worked up over it.
  - deleted 14y ago
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- prawn 14y ago
  Wait, the guy's complaining about condescending browser-fail messages and you have a go at him for writing something condescending? That's entirely independent of the design (which I like).
  - DigitalSea 14y ago
    Oh, my apologies. HN didn't show me the context in which the comment was said, so it just appeared to be a general fact-less stab. Please ignore my comment.
- dronacharya 14y ago
  Not so fast! a) You don't really use HN that often b) You're accessing HN from your grandpa's computer on IE3 c) You work for a REALLY big corporation If you chose a) or b), there's still hope! Just smile ( :-) ) and you'll soon be enjoying HN like it's '96

rdevnull 14y ago

well seriously thou why would someone use opera ...

phyalow 14y ago
/s?
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recursive 14y ago
Maybe they wanted to browse the web?
pbhjpbhj 14y ago
I've always found Opera to be innovative and easy to use. They seem to get their default styling right too. Personally I use Firefox as my main browser but that's because their web dev tools won me over first and now I'm entrenched. Sync between a very good mobile and a desktop browser would seem to be a good reason - if their Android browser didn't force close on me so much I'd be tempted towards using Opera on the desktop for non-dev stuff.

notatoad 14y ago

Opera doesn't support websockets. I'm sure some socket.IO fans will tell me that's not a big deal, but it kind of is. modern browsers support websockets. and i know, this demo doesn't use it and will work fine in opera if you spoof the UA, but it's a lot easier to develop if you pick a feature set you're going to support, and skim out any browsers that don't support that feature set.

csours 14y ago
Or you could just use the features you want to use and try to fail gracefully when you can't. (Old IE could be a special case, as it is solid chunk of FUBAR.)
- notatoad 14y ago
  Sure, you could do that if you had unlimited developer time and people using old browsers are an important market. but that isn't always reality, you've got to choose where to focus your efforts.
  - ricardobeat 14y ago
    No, you don't need unlimited developer time to do feature detection. It's just good practice, after it's ingrained it doesn't take any more time than not doing it.
    - __abc 14y ago
      Don't mix "development cost" with "overall support cost". Overall support will include specific feature testing, regression testing, and user testing. Additionally, support tickets may be opened and introduce support costs in ticket management, escalation, and assessment.
      - ricardobeat 14y ago
        Don't provide any extra support? "Your browser is not supported/you are on your own" is much better than denying access. Eventually people will start spoofing just to get in, and then you have a much worse problem in your hands. You know the Opera story. There is no excuse to block user agents unless it's commercial software with support contracts on the line.

ghshephard 14y ago

Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are using Opera? Today, more than 275 million people are using Opera every month."

artursapek 14y ago
Every month? I wonder how many of those are developers testing their stuff ;) I'd rather see a number of users who have set it as their default browser.
ceejayoz 14y ago
And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?
- ComputerGuru 14y ago
  My site shows Opera at 4%, above Safari at 3.6%.
- mpd 14y ago
  In my experience, Opera gets significant usage in non-English-speaking countries. I read at one point (several years ago, so grain of salt) that 25% of Russian users were using Opera. That said, our own traffic shows 0.80% Opera users, which puts it just above RockMelt. It's silly to actively filter them out as MySpace is doing here, but would be equally as silly (for us at least) to devote any resources to dealing with any Opera-specific issues, until the usage stats justify it.
  - rplnt 14y ago
    Yes, if you look at http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/ and select individual countries you can see that Opera is strong in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia. There are historical reasons for that (just my opinion, see bellow) and also the fact that Opera had/has Turbo - which really helps on slow connections (mobile). So if you run US-focused site, there isn't really reason to care about Opera, and test for it. Blocking it (or any other browser) is bad though. The "historical reasons": Opera was by any means the best (serious) browser out there, but it was paid. People in these countries weren't paying for software anyway, because their income was well bellow western standards while prices were same, and as a bonus, there was no one who would care. So while someone on the west would rather use something free (like IE), people in (for example) Ukraine picked the best. That's why first decent browser (Firefox) took over the west so fast.

epidemian 14y ago

Totally agreed. What annoys me the most it that they are doing browser sniffing on the server side based on the user-agent, instead of feature detection on the client side. Talk about being updated. $ curl -i --user-agent 'Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.10.289 Version/12.02' https://new.myspace.com/ HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily X-Powered-By: Express Vary: Accept-Encoding Content-Type: text/html Location: https://new.myspace.com/browser X-Response-Time: 1ms Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:53:34 GMT Connection: keep-alive Transfer-Encoding: chunked <p>Moved Temporarily. Redirecting to <a href="https://new.myspace.com/browser">https://new.myspace.com/browser</a></p>

epidemian 14y ago
Erratum: s/updated/outdated/
- Flimm 14y ago
  You can edit your comments.
  - chris_wot 14y ago
    Not after 12 hours.

mparlane 14y ago

The biggest hit to your esteem should be that there is space for a fourth browser icon there, they probably added Opera and then removed it when they realized it wasn't a modern browser after all.

luriel 14y ago

The Web 2.0 craze is leading us back to the "Best viewed with" insanity of the 90's. And is only going to get worse, with WebGL is not just "Sorry your browser is not supported, please download a different one.", but "Your video card drivers are not supported, buy new hardware and/or install a different Operating System"

lazyjones 14y ago
We've had this all the time since the 90's with Flash being required, only we couldn't tell because it was duct-taped onto all major browsers all that time. Turn off Flash and see how many sites require it (because of bad codec choice / lack of alternative ways of viewing embedded videos, because of crappy ads without fallback images so you get popups/warnings about missing plugins etc.).
jenius 14y ago
So what exactly do you propose? That we just halt all technological innovation on the web so that people that don't feel better about having old browsers and/or computers? This is a ridiculous idea, and a ridiculous comment. I'm a web developer and I'm so excited about making awesome things and the fact that the web is evolving and enabling us to do this, and share our creations with the world. People like you and comments like this drive me crazy. That being said, I don't think that you should just put up a blanket disabled site announcement when it's not necessary (as is the case with opera here), but if your computer or browser is actually missing capabilities because it's too old, that's too bad - you just don't get cool things. Upgrade or move on.
- SkyMarshal 14y ago
  >So what exactly do you propose? That we just halt all technological innovation on the web so that people that don't feel better about having old browsers and/or computers? Straw man. >This is a ridiculous idea, and a ridiculous comment. He didn't propose anything, just stated the problem. You're the one putting words in his mouth and jumping to overwrought conclusions. Relax dude.

reddiric 14y ago

About to post the exact same thing http://i.imgur.com/DO5Kb.png http://i.imgur.com/DO5Kb.png And what's with the condescending list? Excuse my vulgarity but the page managed to be insulting, clueless, and factually inaccurate all at the same time. Here's how it reads to me: a) Fuck you. b) Fuck you. c) Yes I do, a big technology company where I can install whatever software I need working on harder technical problems than getting Myspace working cross-browser and I use Opera at home too so fuck you.

dboat 14y ago
I think you and others are really being overly sensitive about this. Yes, they probably shouldn't have called your favourite browser outdated, but it's obvious that it was an oversight, and consequence of taking an informal tone with giving a message. A message necessitated by choosing not to support the major browser with the smallest market share in their "preview" release. I like it when larger, more corporate sites go for an informal tone, even if they don't completely nail the humour they might have been striving for. It's a better direction overall than a stuffy PR-speak message, and getting bent out of shape about it just seems like an overreaction.
- ryanmolden 14y ago
  There is a middle ground, it is called a simple, straight forward message, something like "We don't support your browser". No shark needed, no suggestions that the user "doesn't use the internet much" or are "at their parent's house". Though the idea of MySpace trying to put on a hipster front is hilarious in the irony. Really? MySpace still exists as an actual thing?
  - esrauch 14y ago
    Except that many IE8 users don't even know what a browser is. That isn't an euphemism, they literally don't know the word "browser". There message as displayed conveys the message better than "We don't support your browser" to those people, and there are more of those people than there are Opera users.

matmann2001 14y ago

I was also rather put off by this condescending message. Excuse me for using a browser that provides an enjoyable Internet experience.

anotherblue 14y ago

Interesting... It works just fine in IE 10...

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ChuckMcM 14y ago

I can so relate. The first startup I joined post Sun was a place called GolfWeb, which was a website dedicated to Golf enthusiasts and it was, in 1995, the top dedicated Golf site on the Internet. We had all sorts of Java plans, except only a few of the people coming to the site had Java, and RealAudio plans, but the same story. The great masses were all AOL customers it seemed and not all of them had a browser that could display tables correctly! As publishing site you had to shoot for the lowest common denominator in order to reach the most customers. That is still a good strategy, sites that can shrug off features that aren't supported but still get the message across. Maybe MySpace will get that message.

shortlived 14y ago

Yes, the message could perhaps be targeted at Opera specifically, but what else do you want when your browser IS the minority on the web? If you've ever shipped software you know the time will come when you have to cut your list down. How do you make the justification for supporting Opera? And like notatoad says, it's not just a matter of adding some JS, you need to test, etc.

protolif 14y ago

Opera excludes itself, by making its software difficult for developers to support. Most people have never even heard of Opera. So why should developers bother? Where's the value?

angry-hacker 14y ago
Well if you care about majority of Ukraine and Russian users you better support Opera, I'm sure there are more countries where Opera is popular but in those 2 if has the market lead.

mibbitier 14y ago

Opera is full of nonstandard irritating mishmashes of stupid. Their market share has been under 1% for years, so it's really not worth any website worrying about.

robinduckett 14y ago

You (or someone else reaping sweet karma) already posted this comment on reddit. As a computer scientist who uses the most modern browsers, I haven't had Opera installed SINCE 2007. As a web developer, opera has always been last to implement things, even when opera had been the one to propose new features. Opera just does not have the same support for HTML5 as the ones listed. If you're going to use a Hipster's browser, don't be surprised when you're forgotten about. Also, if you're so offended, complain to the MySpace marketing team.

rplnt 14y ago
> opera has always been last to implement things Except when it wasn't, right? Sorry, but this is a complete lie.

sunkencity 14y ago

Doesn't that say more about Opera than Myspace? It even works in lynx. https://twitter.com/tuxtux/status/250605928691417088/photo/1/large https://twitter.com/tuxtux/status/250605928691417088/photo/1...

jarek 14y ago
Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. What that actually says is that they're explicitly blocking Opera by the user-agent string, and haven't bothered blocking Lynx. As pointed out elsewhere in comments here, the page actually works just fine in Opera when you tell it to spoof the user-agent string to pretend it's Firefox.
- sunkencity 14y ago
  Yeah, it's pretty a bad practice blocking on user agent. Re: Opera - I just think it's a pain and an unwanted cost to support Opera. Though my dislike for Opera comes mainly from having developed mobile apps for a long time and having to deal with debugging though their "enhancing" proxy.
  - jarek 14y ago
    These days I have no problem with sites who don't want to support some users, that's their call. I wouldn't recommend suggesting the users must not use the internet very often though.

exterm 14y ago

I want to add the fact that it works just fine when spoofing the user agent. "Identify as Firefox" setting in Opera.

robbyvalles 14y ago

opera 12 is supported now, just pushed

jarek 14y ago
Thank you.