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So, Atlas, Comet, Edge, Dia, Brave, Opera, etc are all Chromium. And any browser on iOS uses the safari engine under the hood? Looks like we are down to two b

So, Atlas, Comet, Edge, Dia, Brave, Opera, etc are all Chromium. And any browser on iOS uses the safari engine under the hood? Looks like we are down to two browsers.

CapmCrackaWaka 1y ago
I use Orion as my daily driver, mostly because of its Kagi integration.
L3viathan 1y ago
Firefox still exists.
- stOneskull 1y ago
  firefox is the best, and gemini in google search results is enough, for me.
SoKamil 1y ago
>any browser on iOS uses the safari engine under the hood? Literally every browser on iOS. Up until iOS 17.4 you were not even allowed to have alternative browser engine. And that still holds true outside EU. https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engines/ https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...
jimbokun 1y ago
First, Chromium is also based on WebKit so that means really only one browser engine. Second, I imagine so many web sites and web applications have, knowingly or unknowingly, made themselves dependent on WebKit or Chromium specific behavior, it's almost impossible to write a new browser compatible with all (or even most) of the web.
- yogorenapan 1y ago
  Chromium is Blink and whatever common ancestor they share has diverged much over the past decade
jazzyjackson 1y ago
Zen is a really nice Firefox fork. Ladybird is coming along.
- jdiff 1y ago
  Zen is an incredibly thin layer on top of Firefox, with some rather glaring performance and battery life issues. Battery life in particular was already not one of Firefox's strong suits. It looks nice, there's some interesting and useful ideas there, but Zen is ultimately "just Firefox" the same way that all of these AI browsers are "just Chromium." Ladybird's the only new kid on the block for a decade.
  - jazzyjackson 1y ago
    Didn't mean to position Zen as an alternative to Firefox, just that it adds viability to recommending a non-chromium browser cause it has nicer usability than the competition (imo, + arc was a pretty big hit before they pivoted but of course every YC start up was encouraged to use it so that might have helped with the hipness)
tetrisgm 1y ago
There's Orion. It's not bad, but I don't love it either.

So, Atlas, Comet, Edge, Dia, Brave, Opera, etc are all Chromium. And any browser on iOS uses the safari engine under the hood? Looks like we are down to two browsers.

CapmCrackaWaka 1y ago

I use Orion as my daily driver, mostly because of its Kagi integration.

L3viathan 1y ago

Firefox still exists.

stOneskull 1y ago
firefox is the best, and gemini in google search results is enough, for me.

SoKamil 1y ago

>any browser on iOS uses the safari engine under the hood? Literally every browser on iOS. Up until iOS 17.4 you were not even allowed to have alternative browser engine. And that still holds true outside EU. https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engines/ https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...

jimbokun 1y ago

First, Chromium is also based on WebKit so that means really only one browser engine. Second, I imagine so many web sites and web applications have, knowingly or unknowingly, made themselves dependent on WebKit or Chromium specific behavior, it's almost impossible to write a new browser compatible with all (or even most) of the web.

yogorenapan 1y ago
Chromium is Blink and whatever common ancestor they share has diverged much over the past decade

jazzyjackson 1y ago

Zen is a really nice Firefox fork. Ladybird is coming along.

jdiff 1y ago
Zen is an incredibly thin layer on top of Firefox, with some rather glaring performance and battery life issues. Battery life in particular was already not one of Firefox's strong suits. It looks nice, there's some interesting and useful ideas there, but Zen is ultimately "just Firefox" the same way that all of these AI browsers are "just Chromium." Ladybird's the only new kid on the block for a decade.
- jazzyjackson 1y ago
  Didn't mean to position Zen as an alternative to Firefox, just that it adds viability to recommending a non-chromium browser cause it has nicer usability than the competition (imo, + arc was a pretty big hit before they pivoted but of course every YC start up was encouraged to use it so that might have helped with the hipness)

tetrisgm 1y ago

There's Orion. It's not bad, but I don't love it either.