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I wouldn't even say BBC is a good source to cite. For foreign news, BBC is outright biased. Though I don't have any good suggestions for what an LLM should cite

I wouldn't even say BBC is a good source to cite. For foreign news, BBC is outright biased. Though I don't have any good suggestions for what an LLM should cite instead.

EA-3167 1y ago
Ground News or something similar that at least attempts to aggregate, compare ownership, bias, and factuality. Imo at least
542458 1y ago
Reuters or AP IMO. Both take NPOV and accuracy very seriously. Reuters famously wouldn't even refer to the 9/11 hijackers as terrorists, as they wanted to remain as value-neutral as possible.
- sdoering 1y ago
  In addition to that dpa from Germany for German news. Yes, dpa has had issues, but it is in my experience by far the source trying to be as non partisan as possible. Not necessarily when they sell their online feed business, though. Disclaimer: Started my career in onine journalism/aggregation. Hada 4 week internship with the dpa online daughter some 16 years ago.
- FooBarWidget 1y ago
  It's been a long time since 2001. Are they still value-neutral today on foreign news? It seems to me like they're heavily biased towards western POV nowadays.
  - driverdan 1y ago
    Yes, Reuters has good, unbiased international coverage.
dontlaugh 1y ago
The BBC has a strong right wing bias within the UK too. There’s no such thing as unbiased.
- gadders 1y ago
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  - AndrewStephens 1y ago
    I love how everyone seems to agree that the BBC is horribly biased but there is fierce debate as to whether it is run by the ghost of Joseph Goebbels or if the staff start each day singing The Red Flag. Perhaps the real bias was inside us the whole time.
    - gadders 1y ago
      Yes, that would be the Centrist Dad take.
    - rsynnott 1y ago
      This isn't a new issue; Saturday Night Fry (the predecessor to a Bit of Fry and Laurie) was making fun of it in the 1980s. The BBC's commitment to 'balance' has always lead it in rather weird directions.
  - dontlaugh 1y ago
    The BBC is famous for platforming Farage and smearing Corbyn. The Guardian is at best centre-right. Next you’ll try to convince me that Starmer’s Labour is left wing or the Lock Ness monster is real.
    - hunterpayne 1y ago
      If this is an honest take, you probably have to look to the right to see Mao's ghost. Maybe talk to other humans in real life, you might be shocked about your actual place on the political spectrum.
marcosdumay 1y ago
Well, if it's describing news content, it should cite the original news article.
rkachowski 1y ago
You're downvoted but quite accurate. I would like to see this statistic compared against how often the BBC misrepresents news content, and the backflips that come with defining such a metric.

I wouldn't even say BBC is a good source to cite. For foreign news, BBC is outright biased. Though I don't have any good suggestions for what an LLM should cite instead.

EA-3167 1y ago

Ground News or something similar that at least attempts to aggregate, compare ownership, bias, and factuality. Imo at least

542458 1y ago

Reuters or AP IMO. Both take NPOV and accuracy very seriously. Reuters famously wouldn't even refer to the 9/11 hijackers as terrorists, as they wanted to remain as value-neutral as possible.

sdoering 1y ago
In addition to that dpa from Germany for German news. Yes, dpa has had issues, but it is in my experience by far the source trying to be as non partisan as possible. Not necessarily when they sell their online feed business, though. Disclaimer: Started my career in onine journalism/aggregation. Hada 4 week internship with the dpa online daughter some 16 years ago.
FooBarWidget 1y ago
It's been a long time since 2001. Are they still value-neutral today on foreign news? It seems to me like they're heavily biased towards western POV nowadays.
- driverdan 1y ago
  Yes, Reuters has good, unbiased international coverage.

dontlaugh 1y ago

The BBC has a strong right wing bias within the UK too. There’s no such thing as unbiased.

gadders 1y ago
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- AndrewStephens 1y ago
  I love how everyone seems to agree that the BBC is horribly biased but there is fierce debate as to whether it is run by the ghost of Joseph Goebbels or if the staff start each day singing The Red Flag. Perhaps the real bias was inside us the whole time.
  - gadders 1y ago
    Yes, that would be the Centrist Dad take.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    This isn't a new issue; Saturday Night Fry (the predecessor to a Bit of Fry and Laurie) was making fun of it in the 1980s. The BBC's commitment to 'balance' has always lead it in rather weird directions.
- dontlaugh 1y ago
  The BBC is famous for platforming Farage and smearing Corbyn. The Guardian is at best centre-right. Next you’ll try to convince me that Starmer’s Labour is left wing or the Lock Ness monster is real.
  - hunterpayne 1y ago
    If this is an honest take, you probably have to look to the right to see Mao's ghost. Maybe talk to other humans in real life, you might be shocked about your actual place on the political spectrum.

marcosdumay 1y ago

Well, if it's describing news content, it should cite the original news article.

rkachowski 1y ago

You're downvoted but quite accurate. I would like to see this statistic compared against how often the BBC misrepresents news content, and the backflips that come with defining such a metric.