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During an upgrade, I discovered that the console had been removed without any prior notice. MinIO really pissed me off. Over a month ago, I started looking for

During an upgrade, I discovered that the console had been removed without any prior notice. MinIO really pissed me off. Over a month ago, I started looking for a MinIO alternative and found RustFS. I've been testing RustFS for over a month now, and the product continues to improve, with the community fixing bugs very quickly. I hope YC will invest in this company.

nunez 11mo ago
At the same time, I'm concerned that a YC investment means more of the same, eventually: open-source until it's no longer fiscally prudent.
- Kevinmetaba 11mo ago
  Is open source and making money in conflict? If they do a good job, I am willing to pay.
  - throwway120385 11mo ago
    Not necessarily, but if there's a cost to providing free support to the community like official container images, then it will get cut. People comment that it's "free" to provide these things through Github, but it actually has a cost to the maintainers in time, and it's frankly an easy business decision to stop doing that at times in favor of roadmap work that produces business value. What I'm learning from this is to provide basically zero support from the outset and let it grow organically if I ever build a business on an open source product. As soon as you stop supporting anything for free someone feels entitled to it.
    - tankenmate 11mo ago
      "but if there's a cost to providing free support to the community like official container images, then it will get cut.", but here's the kicker, supporting creating docker images when you're on github is close to negligible as to be paper thin.
  - deleted 11mo ago
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- baq 11mo ago
  free software until mainstream acceptance. naive MBAs call it leaving money on the table, Microsoft calls it a monopoly-preserving strategy. no VC has the balls to go for the jugular anymore.
williamstein 11mo ago
There is a nice table here https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-vs-other-object-storage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-v... comparing RustFS to MinIO, including a claim about the MinIo support price.
- CamouflagedKiwi 11mo ago
  The benchmark against MinIO is nice, but I don't care much for the table vs. "Other object storage" which seems to try to aggregate all the worst points of all the others with no citation (e.g. why should I believe RustFS has no intellectual property risk but others do? What's different about them to back that up?).
- smartbit 11mo ago
  Here an S3 compatibility table https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/reference-manual/s3-compatibility/ https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/reference-manua... comparing - GarageFS - OpenStack Swift - CEPH Object Gateway Rados - Riak CS - OpenIO
  - roygbiv2 11mo ago
    I'm currently testing for alternatives of minio on my homelab. Ceph was nice, lots of bells and whistles, built in support for virtual IPs is excellent, but on my aging hardware it was using 10-15% CPU in my VM while idle. Currently benchmarking garagefs, scales very well with core count and multi node set up is a breeze.
  - Kevinmetaba 11mo ago
    [flagged]
    - smartbit 11mo ago
      GarageFS is supported by NLnet *. NLnet is very Open Soucre minded and sees no objection in supporting it due to the AGPL. Maybe AGPL isn’t that Open Source unfriendly? And indeed I noticed that OpenIO isn’t updated for quite some time. * https://nlnet.nl/project/Garage https://nlnet.nl/project/Garage
Nux 11mo ago
Nothing like VC or IPO to ruin a perfectly good product...
- naikrovek 11mo ago
  it used to be that people started businesses so that they could help others by providing a product or a service to them. late stage capitalism arrives when people create businesses solely to get rich, and when other companies are created solely to get rich by helping those people create their companies so that they can get rich. that's what ycombinator is. most of capitalism used to be symbiotic. engaging in transactions with businesses benefited both the business and the consumer. now we live in a world where most or all of the benefit goes to the business and none or almost none to the consumer.
  - hunterpayne 11mo ago
    If they were giving it away for free and paying a non-zero cost to do it, that's not sustainable. And that clearly isn't taking all the benefit for themselves. This is a take so bad, it isn't a take anymore...its a personality flaw.
    - crote 11mo ago
      Literally nobody is making that claim. Nobody expects businesses to be charities. The thing being argued against is businesses solely being viewed as a "get rich quick" gambling scheme, where the only thing that matters is a rapid rise in shareholder value. VCs don't want a company providing a steady retirement fund, they want you to go for a 1000x return or die trying. The logical end result is that you screw over your customers and employees whenever possible, and burn the entire thing to the ground for the last few bucks. Just look at what Broadcom is doing to VMware: they might've delivered some great shareholder value, but they did huge damage to society in the process! We shouldn't allow businesses to operate like a cancer which grows forever until it eventually kills its host, leeching off as much in the process as possible. If you want sustainability, you should be clamoring for businesses which are happy to just operate: employ some people, provide a valuable service to society, and make some profit - no need to take over the world in a crazy frenzy chasing unlimited growth.
maxloh 11mo ago
Eh... however, I must add a strong note of caution. On their README, it states: > RustFS is under rapid development. Do NOT use in production environments! Also note that it seems to be a Chinese company (北京恒河沙科技有限公司), so security issues might arise.

nunez 11mo ago

At the same time, I'm concerned that a YC investment means more of the same, eventually: open-source until it's no longer fiscally prudent.

Kevinmetaba 11mo ago
Is open source and making money in conflict? If they do a good job, I am willing to pay.
- throwway120385 11mo ago
  Not necessarily, but if there's a cost to providing free support to the community like official container images, then it will get cut. People comment that it's "free" to provide these things through Github, but it actually has a cost to the maintainers in time, and it's frankly an easy business decision to stop doing that at times in favor of roadmap work that produces business value. What I'm learning from this is to provide basically zero support from the outset and let it grow organically if I ever build a business on an open source product. As soon as you stop supporting anything for free someone feels entitled to it.
  - tankenmate 11mo ago
    "but if there's a cost to providing free support to the community like official container images, then it will get cut.", but here's the kicker, supporting creating docker images when you're on github is close to negligible as to be paper thin.
- deleted 11mo ago
  [deleted]
baq 11mo ago
free software until mainstream acceptance. naive MBAs call it leaving money on the table, Microsoft calls it a monopoly-preserving strategy. no VC has the balls to go for the jugular anymore.

williamstein 11mo ago

There is a nice table here https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-vs-other-object-storage https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-v... comparing RustFS to MinIO, including a claim about the MinIo support price.

CamouflagedKiwi 11mo ago
The benchmark against MinIO is nice, but I don't care much for the table vs. "Other object storage" which seems to try to aggregate all the worst points of all the others with no citation (e.g. why should I believe RustFS has no intellectual property risk but others do? What's different about them to back that up?).
smartbit 11mo ago
Here an S3 compatibility table https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/reference-manual/s3-compatibility/ https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/reference-manua... comparing - GarageFS - OpenStack Swift - CEPH Object Gateway Rados - Riak CS - OpenIO
- roygbiv2 11mo ago
  I'm currently testing for alternatives of minio on my homelab. Ceph was nice, lots of bells and whistles, built in support for virtual IPs is excellent, but on my aging hardware it was using 10-15% CPU in my VM while idle. Currently benchmarking garagefs, scales very well with core count and multi node set up is a breeze.
- Kevinmetaba 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - smartbit 11mo ago
    GarageFS is supported by NLnet *. NLnet is very Open Soucre minded and sees no objection in supporting it due to the AGPL. Maybe AGPL isn’t that Open Source unfriendly? And indeed I noticed that OpenIO isn’t updated for quite some time. * https://nlnet.nl/project/Garage https://nlnet.nl/project/Garage

Nux 11mo ago

Nothing like VC or IPO to ruin a perfectly good product...

naikrovek 11mo ago
it used to be that people started businesses so that they could help others by providing a product or a service to them. late stage capitalism arrives when people create businesses solely to get rich, and when other companies are created solely to get rich by helping those people create their companies so that they can get rich. that's what ycombinator is. most of capitalism used to be symbiotic. engaging in transactions with businesses benefited both the business and the consumer. now we live in a world where most or all of the benefit goes to the business and none or almost none to the consumer.
- hunterpayne 11mo ago
  If they were giving it away for free and paying a non-zero cost to do it, that's not sustainable. And that clearly isn't taking all the benefit for themselves. This is a take so bad, it isn't a take anymore...its a personality flaw.
  - crote 11mo ago
    Literally nobody is making that claim. Nobody expects businesses to be charities. The thing being argued against is businesses solely being viewed as a "get rich quick" gambling scheme, where the only thing that matters is a rapid rise in shareholder value. VCs don't want a company providing a steady retirement fund, they want you to go for a 1000x return or die trying. The logical end result is that you screw over your customers and employees whenever possible, and burn the entire thing to the ground for the last few bucks. Just look at what Broadcom is doing to VMware: they might've delivered some great shareholder value, but they did huge damage to society in the process! We shouldn't allow businesses to operate like a cancer which grows forever until it eventually kills its host, leeching off as much in the process as possible. If you want sustainability, you should be clamoring for businesses which are happy to just operate: employ some people, provide a valuable service to society, and make some profit - no need to take over the world in a crazy frenzy chasing unlimited growth.

maxloh 11mo ago

Eh... however, I must add a strong note of caution. On their README, it states: > RustFS is under rapid development. Do NOT use in production environments! Also note that it seems to be a Chinese company (北京恒河沙科技有限公司), so security issues might arise.