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Oh, so this is an actual recall and not just a software update.
by citizenkeen 1y ago
Oh, so this is an actual recall and not just a software update.
- thejazzman 1y agoThey’ve had multiple non-software recalls
- nomel 1y agoI wonder how they compare to the rest of the auto manufacturers, in this regard.
- thesuitonym 1y agoAccording to cars.com, the cybertruck has had 8 safety recalls, while the 2024 Ford F-150 Lightning has had 2.
- arrozconcosas 1y agoAccording to the NHTSA, Ford has had 126 recalls this year and the next most is Chrysler with 40. Tesla has 9. https://datahub.transportation.gov/stories/s/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/38mw-dp8u/ https://datahub.transportation.gov/stories/s/NHTSA-Recalls-b...
- dncornholio 1y agoIs this even a fair comparison when Ford and Chrysler offer a lot more models than Tesla does?
- _aavaa_ 1y agoIt’s not. For example, Saab has had 0 recalls.
- codingdave 1y agoSaab also currently produces 0 models.
- _aavaa_ 1y agoThat’s the point.
- briandw 1y agoFords recall numbers have skyrocketed in recent years. So Fords real comparison to its previous self, 2015 they had 68. Why isn’t Fords roughly doubling of recalls news?
- itsoktocry 1y ago>Why isn’t Fords roughly doubling of recalls news? Oh, I don't know, maybe because Tesla is bigger than the rest of the entire industry combined? Besides, safety recalls are what matters. I get lots of small qualtiy-related recalls that are so minor I don't even bother getting them done. Meanwhile, Tesla does what it can to avoid quality recalls, because for a while it was a marketing blurb for them.
- tzs 1y agoBy units sold per year Tesla is the 15th biggest car company. Ford is 6th. (This is with Hyundai and Kia counted as the same). By revenue from those sales rather than units, Tesla is 12th. Ford is 6th.
- rconti 1y agoIt's reasonably well known that Ford has had a very bad year for recalls; it's definitely made the rounds in the auto world, and breaks through to the mainstream news from time to time. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-2026-ford-ranger-recall-side-curtain-airbags https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-2026-ford-ranger-recall... https://247wallst.com/investing/2025/10/17/ford-recall-record-worst-in-history/ https://247wallst.com/investing/2025/10/17/ford-recall-recor... https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/recalls/2025/09/24/ford-recall-trucks-steering-column/86325562007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/recalls/2025/09/24/ford-... https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ford-issues-more-safety-recalls-in-6-months-than-any-auto-company-has-in-a-year.47524/ https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ford-issues-more-saf...
- thesuitonym 1y agoIf you want to compare, you need to pick a specific model year, and the same number of models. Ford has 38 current models, Tesla has has 5.
- Rover222 1y agoBut how many of those Tesla “recalls” were OTA software updates?
- tzs 1y agoA "recall" means that a safety defect or a failure to meet federal standards has been identified in a vehicle and the manufacturer is required to fix it free. It is a recall no matter how the manufacture decides to implement the fix. If they can do it OTA, great. That will be more convenient for most owners.
- nomel 1y agoThe context of this thread is non-software recalls.
- 3D30497420 1y agoHere's some data: https://datahub.transportation.gov/stories/s/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/38mw-dp8u/ https://datahub.transportation.gov/stories/s/NHTSA-Recalls-b... If you're looking at the pie chart, Tesla is not shown, but has had 9 in whatever time period and selection criteria is used.
- andsoitis 1y ago> I wonder how they compare to the rest of the auto manufacturers, in this regard. Most recalls in 2024: Chrysler (72), Ford (67), BMW (36), GM (34), Hyundai (25), Mercedes-Benz (28) Least: Tesla (16), Mazda (6), Rivian (8), Nissan (18), Toyota (16), Porsche (13) Another way to look at it is number of people impacted, which changes the "leaderboard". In order of most people to least: Tesla, Chrysler, Ford, Honda, GM, BMW, Kia, Toyota,.... Porsche. Obviously, conflating factor is popularity of brand. Source: https://brclegal.com/us-car-recall-statistics/ https://brclegal.com/us-car-recall-statistics/
- 1121redblackgo 1y agoYeah Tesla is around 4% US marketshare, the largest three players are up to 17%
- orwin 1y agoAnd Tesla have basically two models, that's probably why Ford have more recalls but less affected people.
- dexterdog 1y agoTesla has many small tweaks on their cars from year-to-year and even less. It's not as bad as it used to be (I haven't heard of any plywood in use inside the componentry).
- riffraff 1y agorather than the number people impacted, perhaps the most interesting would be the percentage/ratio of people impacted among the ones who got the car?
- squigz 1y agoI came here to check this. I find it extremely annoying how often we hear about "massive recalls" that are really just OTA updates.
- tromp 1y agoI would say a hard recall rather than a soft recall (which technically is still an actual recall).
- pengaru 1y ago> Oh, so this is an actual recall and not just a software update. In an era of software-defined vehicles, the difference is one of convenience, not impact/consequence. Not really worth pointing out, unless you're a service department telling owners how to plan their week.
- nilkn 1y agoTo the contrary, the fact that this is a physical recall is perhaps the most interesting and noteworthy thing about it.
- pengaru 1y agoAre you hodling TSLA and concerned about the costs? I could see that being interesting...
- nilkn 1y agoNo, but we own one of their vehicles and in years have never experienced a recall that involved physically recalling the vehicle. This one doesn't apply to us, but if it did, that alone would immediately make it stand out compared to every other recall we've experienced with the product (which have never had any effect on us whatsoever).
- AlexandrB 1y ago> software-defined vehicles I threw up in my mouth a little upon reading this phrase. Dark times.
- Rover222 1y agoThat’s nonsensical, IMO. Software updates should not be considered recalls at all. Unless it’s a critical safety issue that makes the vehicle unusable.
- Reason077 1y agoThat's exactly what recalls are: important safety issues that need to be fixed, regardless of whether the fix involves hardware or software. Past Tesla recalls addressed by OTA updates include fixes for braking, steering, headlights, tire pressure monitoring, collision avoidance, etc... https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/ https://www.cars.com/research/tesla/recalls/
- SoftTalker 1y agoInteresting. How many physical repair facilities does Tesla have? I can see this creating quite a backlog.
- rconti 1y agoWell, this is a relatively small recall in automotive terms, so certainly enough to handle this.