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I appreciate the feedback, truly. Defensive and snarky are both fair, though I'm not trying to convince. The business and practices exist, today. At risk of mo

I appreciate the feedback, truly. Defensive and snarky are both fair, though I'm not trying to convince. The business and practices exist, today. At risk of more snark [well-intentioned]: Clouds aren't the Death Star, they don't have to have an exhaust port. It's fair the first one does... for a while.

pinkmuffinere 1y ago
Ya, I totally believe that cloud platforms don't need a single point of failure. In fact, seeing the vulnerability makes me excited, because I realize there is _still_ potential for innovation in this area! To be fair it's not my area of expertise, so I'm very unlikely to be involved, but it's still exciting to see more change on the horizon :)
- bravetraveler 1y ago
  Others have raised good points, like: they've already won, why bother? We did it because we weren't first!
  - pinkmuffinere 1y ago
    What company did you do it with, can you say? Definitely, they may have been an early mover, but they can (and I'll say will!) still be displaced eventually, that's how business goes.
    - bravetraveler 1y ago
      It's fine if someone guesses the well-known company, but I can't confirm/deny; like privacy a bit too much/post a bit too spicy. This wasn't a darling VC thing, to be fair. Overstated my involvement with 'made' for effect. A lot of us did the building and testing.
      - pinkmuffinere 1y ago
        Definitely, that makes sense. Ya no worries at all, I think we all know these kinds of things involve 100+ human work-years, so at best we all just have some contribution to them.
        bravetraveler 1y ago
        > think we all know these kinds of things involve 100+ human work-years No kidding! The customers differ, business/finance/governments, but the volume [systems/time/effort] was comparable to Amazon. The people involved in audits were consumed practically for a whole quarter, if memory serves. Not necessarily for testing itself: first, planning, sharing the plan, then dreading the plan. Anyway, I don't miss doing this at all. Didn't mean to imply mitigation is trivial, just feasible :) 'AWS scale' is all the more reason to do business continuity/disaster recovery testing! I guess I find it being surprising, surprising. Competitors have an easier time avoiding the creation of a Gordian Knot with their services... when they aren't making a new one every week. There are significant degrees to PaaS, a little focus [not bound to a promotion packet] goes a long way.

pinkmuffinere 1y ago

Ya, I totally believe that cloud platforms don't need a single point of failure. In fact, seeing the vulnerability makes me excited, because I realize there is _still_ potential for innovation in this area! To be fair it's not my area of expertise, so I'm very unlikely to be involved, but it's still exciting to see more change on the horizon :)

bravetraveler 1y ago
Others have raised good points, like: they've already won, why bother? We did it because we weren't first!
- pinkmuffinere 1y ago
  What company did you do it with, can you say? Definitely, they may have been an early mover, but they can (and I'll say will!) still be displaced eventually, that's how business goes.
  - bravetraveler 1y ago
    It's fine if someone guesses the well-known company, but I can't confirm/deny; like privacy a bit too much/post a bit too spicy. This wasn't a darling VC thing, to be fair. Overstated my involvement with 'made' for effect. A lot of us did the building and testing.
    - pinkmuffinere 1y ago
      Definitely, that makes sense. Ya no worries at all, I think we all know these kinds of things involve 100+ human work-years, so at best we all just have some contribution to them.
      - bravetraveler 1y ago
        > think we all know these kinds of things involve 100+ human work-years No kidding! The customers differ, business/finance/governments, but the volume [systems/time/effort] was comparable to Amazon. The people involved in audits were consumed practically for a whole quarter, if memory serves. Not necessarily for testing itself: first, planning, sharing the plan, then dreading the plan. Anyway, I don't miss doing this at all. Didn't mean to imply mitigation is trivial, just feasible :) 'AWS scale' is all the more reason to do business continuity/disaster recovery testing! I guess I find it being surprising, surprising. Competitors have an easier time avoiding the creation of a Gordian Knot with their services... when they aren't making a new one every week. There are significant degrees to PaaS, a little focus [not bound to a promotion packet] goes a long way.