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My potato RTX vs your supercomputer cluster and circular chipfab/ai-training economy. Challenge: “Be competitive in the market place.” Go.

baconbrand 1y ago
Your potato RTX that uses a finite amount of power, is already paid for, and does things that you know are useful verses your supercomputer cluster and circular funding economy that uses infinite power, is 10x more overleveraged than the dot com bubble, and does things that you think might be useful someday. Challenge: “Don’t collapse the global economy.” :)
- gnarlouse 1y ago
  Excellent. Completely fair.
jayd16 1y ago
What market? If this shocks employment numbers what can happen other than market collapse?
- reactordev 1y ago
  This is the only outcome any economic model concludes. Complete market collapse. It will scream before it collapses (meaning it will shoot to the moon, then completely collapse). Way worse than the Great Depression because instead of 26% unemployment, it will be 80%.
- gnarlouse 1y ago
  I don't think it's a short term thing, but in the short term, yes you're exactly right. But what are the minimum inputs necessary to build self-sustaining robotic workforce of machines that can (1) produce more power (2) produce more robots (3) produce food. The specifics of what exactly is necessary--which inputs, which production goals--is debatable. But imagine some point where a billionaire like Elon has the minimum covered to keep a mini space-x running, or a mini optimus factory running, a mini solar-city running. At this point, it's perfectly acceptable to crash the economy, and leave them to their own devices. If they survive, fine. If they don't, also fine. The minimum kernel necessary to let the best of mankind march off and explore the solar system is secure. Obviously, this is an extreme, and the whole trajectory is differential. But in general, if I were a billionaire, I'd be thinking "8 billion people is a whole lot of mouths to feed, and a whole lot of carbon footprint to worry about. Is 8 billion people (most of whom lack a solid education) a luxury liability?" I really just don't believe that most people are going to make it to "the singularity" if there even is such a thing. Just more of the same of humanity: barbaric bullshit, one group of humans trying to control another group of humans.
skybrian 1y ago
Can't find it now, but I read an article about someone adding AI help to a large appliance. Can't assume WiFi is set up, so it has to work offline. Frontier model not required. I don't think we will be building these things ourselves, but I think there will still be products you can just buy and then they're yours. It would be the opposite of the "Internet of things" trend though.

baconbrand 1y ago

Your potato RTX that uses a finite amount of power, is already paid for, and does things that you know are useful verses your supercomputer cluster and circular funding economy that uses infinite power, is 10x more overleveraged than the dot com bubble, and does things that you think might be useful someday. Challenge: “Don’t collapse the global economy.” :)

gnarlouse 1y ago
Excellent. Completely fair.

jayd16 1y ago

What market? If this shocks employment numbers what can happen other than market collapse?

reactordev 1y ago
This is the only outcome any economic model concludes. Complete market collapse. It will scream before it collapses (meaning it will shoot to the moon, then completely collapse). Way worse than the Great Depression because instead of 26% unemployment, it will be 80%.
gnarlouse 1y ago
I don't think it's a short term thing, but in the short term, yes you're exactly right. But what are the minimum inputs necessary to build self-sustaining robotic workforce of machines that can (1) produce more power (2) produce more robots (3) produce food. The specifics of what exactly is necessary--which inputs, which production goals--is debatable. But imagine some point where a billionaire like Elon has the minimum covered to keep a mini space-x running, or a mini optimus factory running, a mini solar-city running. At this point, it's perfectly acceptable to crash the economy, and leave them to their own devices. If they survive, fine. If they don't, also fine. The minimum kernel necessary to let the best of mankind march off and explore the solar system is secure. Obviously, this is an extreme, and the whole trajectory is differential. But in general, if I were a billionaire, I'd be thinking "8 billion people is a whole lot of mouths to feed, and a whole lot of carbon footprint to worry about. Is 8 billion people (most of whom lack a solid education) a luxury liability?" I really just don't believe that most people are going to make it to "the singularity" if there even is such a thing. Just more of the same of humanity: barbaric bullshit, one group of humans trying to control another group of humans.

skybrian 1y ago

Can't find it now, but I read an article about someone adding AI help to a large appliance. Can't assume WiFi is set up, so it has to work offline. Frontier model not required. I don't think we will be building these things ourselves, but I think there will still be products you can just buy and then they're yours. It would be the opposite of the "Internet of things" trend though.