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It might not matter as far as profitability is concerned, ethically the second order effects will be very problematic. I am no puritan but the widespread availa

It might not matter as far as profitability is concerned, ethically the second order effects will be very problematic. I am no puritan but the widespread availability of porn has already affected peoples sexual expectations greatly. AI generated porn is going to remove even more guardrails for behavior previously considered deviant, people will view and bring those expectations back to real life.

glenstein 1y ago
To perhaps make the same point as you in a different way, I have no issue with "deviancy" but I think it can accelerate the cycle of chasing a sugar high.
swat535 1y ago
This is the same argument that people used for video games, "rock music" and violent movies. I would argue that AI generated porn might be more ethical than traditional porn because the risk of the models being abused or trafficked is virtually zero.
- malfist 1y ago
  > because the risk of the models being abused or trafficked is virtually zero. That's not really true. Look at one if the more common uses for AI porn: taking a photo of someone and making them nude. Deepfake porn exists and it does harm
  - derektank 1y ago
    The harms associated with someone creating a deep fake of you are real but they're pretty insignificant compared to the harms associated with being sex trafficked or being exposed to an STI or being unable to find traditional employment after working in the industry.
    - ummonk 1y ago
      Would you support installing public spy cams in everyone's bedrooms so as to end the demand for human trafficking in porn?
      - derektank 1y ago
        No? And I didn't suggest deepfakes should be legal. I was just pointing out that when you're talking about the scale of harm caused by the existing sex industry compared to the scale of harm caused by AI generated pornographic imagery, one far outweighs the other.
    - throwaway-0001 1y ago
      You couldn’t just photoshop that before ai came out? What if you get a model that is 99% similar to your “target” - what we do with that?
      - malfist 1y ago
        Sure, someone skilled could spend an hour or so photoshoping someone nude. But any teenager can do that to a classmate in 30 seconds with ai
        throwaway-0001 1y ago
        So just because the poor can do what the rich could do before what it means? Before only rich can afford to pay a pro to do photoshop. Now any poor person can get. So why when rich can is fine and when everyone can is a problem?
        ares623 1y ago
        Uhh it wasn’t fine when the rich did it?
      - cindyllm 1y ago
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glenstein 1y ago

To perhaps make the same point as you in a different way, I have no issue with "deviancy" but I think it can accelerate the cycle of chasing a sugar high.

swat535 1y ago

This is the same argument that people used for video games, "rock music" and violent movies. I would argue that AI generated porn might be more ethical than traditional porn because the risk of the models being abused or trafficked is virtually zero.

malfist 1y ago
> because the risk of the models being abused or trafficked is virtually zero. That's not really true. Look at one if the more common uses for AI porn: taking a photo of someone and making them nude. Deepfake porn exists and it does harm
- derektank 1y ago
  The harms associated with someone creating a deep fake of you are real but they're pretty insignificant compared to the harms associated with being sex trafficked or being exposed to an STI or being unable to find traditional employment after working in the industry.
  - ummonk 1y ago
    Would you support installing public spy cams in everyone's bedrooms so as to end the demand for human trafficking in porn?
    - derektank 1y ago
      No? And I didn't suggest deepfakes should be legal. I was just pointing out that when you're talking about the scale of harm caused by the existing sex industry compared to the scale of harm caused by AI generated pornographic imagery, one far outweighs the other.
  - throwaway-0001 1y ago
    You couldn’t just photoshop that before ai came out? What if you get a model that is 99% similar to your “target” - what we do with that?
    - malfist 1y ago
      Sure, someone skilled could spend an hour or so photoshoping someone nude. But any teenager can do that to a classmate in 30 seconds with ai
      - throwaway-0001 1y ago
        So just because the poor can do what the rich could do before what it means? Before only rich can afford to pay a pro to do photoshop. Now any poor person can get. So why when rich can is fine and when everyone can is a problem?
        ares623 1y ago
        Uhh it wasn’t fine when the rich did it?
    - cindyllm 1y ago
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