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ISP Blocking of No-IP's Dynamic DNS Enters Week 2

51 points by HotGarbage 1y ago

ls612 1y ago
The Great Firewall was so successful for the Chinese ruling class that it will eventually be implemented everywhere to keep the cattle classes in check.
- halJordan 1y ago
  While I disagree with your equivalence, i think it's undeniable that gfw-lite is certainly coming. Italy/Spain/France routinely block dns and are prepping the legal framework for vpns. Ofcom has extraordinary power in England. Australia has already passed all the recent legislation blocked in the US/UK. Notably though, for all the know-it-alls on this site. Its not the spy agencies getting these powers.
  - ls612 1y ago
    Europe may be too far gone but hopefully the US will be OK. If there is one silver lining it is that if any of the site blocking bills get serious consideration this is basically a parade of horribles on a plate for the opponents.
    - throwaway94275 1y ago
      Block BEARD Act is coming.
      - ls612 1y ago
        There have been several proposed but given the current state of Congress I have my doubts any of them are going anywhere soon.
  - crote 1y ago
    > Notably though, for all the know-it-alls on this site. Its not the spy agencies getting these powers. How could you possibly know, though? A big issue with these schemes is the complete lack of transparency and any form of due process. Websites are getting blocked without any information being provided, so how are you supposed to distinguish a copyright-related block from a block demanded by a spy agency, or the ISP CEO's golf buddy?
  - thebruce87m 1y ago
    > Ofcom has extraordinary power in England Ofcoms power covers all of the UK, not just England.
hyperman1 1y ago
I wish the blocked page made it clear who is doing the blocking, e.g 'This page is blocked by La Liga. Contact their helpdesk at (phone number).' Maybe add the number of their lawyers and CxOs while at it.
hollow-moe 1y ago
I'm pretty sure LaLiga uses cloudflare somewhere in their stack, CF should maliciously comply and bring down their services when a match occurs. Sorry, just following the law.
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure crimeflare is complicit as they also knowingly continue to support other (even worse) websites that host extremist/illegal content such as zoosadism.
  - iamnothere 1y ago
    Cloudflare shouldn’t be responsible for traffic that transits their servers any more than backbone peers or ISPs. Go after the actual host or block it with some kind of national or regional firewall. Otherwise you are dooming us to a one-way TV-style internet.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      Except they have already done this for other sites. But if they actually agreed with you, then I think they should remove the relevant language from their ToS that claims they have moral control over what transits their network. But SJWs have previously used this tactic (providers' own ToS) to get websites they don't like taken offline. It has been happening not only to reverse proxy providers, but also to Tier 1 ISPs (who blackholed kiwifarms just like CF), DNS providers, domain registrars and colocation/hosting providers. It starts with the worst sites first, the ones many people will not be upset about having taken offline, and then slowly gets more and more obviously authoritarian. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_They_Came&lang=en https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_They_Came&l...
      - iamnothere 1y ago
        Activists have done this sort of thing, but fortunately their power has waned. I’d rather chalk that up to an isolated set of mistakes from a difficult time in history than accept it as a new norm.
ghoul2 1y ago
well, Jio (Indias largest ISP, with ~300M customers) has cloudflare r2 blocked. And for a while even. I am sure its due to some bucket serving out pirated movies, but this is a bit insane. And neither Jio nor Cloudflare seem to want to figure this out. I have stuff on R2, I don't personally use Jio, and the office has multiple ISPs but not Jio. Customers had randomly complained that some of the icons were broken/some files could not accessed, but never followed up our request for browser console/network snapshots, and our testing always showed everything working fine (we were very small with a handful of customers, at the time). Finally, purely by chance, office network was having issues, so one of my QA people switched to their mobile hotspot, and they were on Jio. And then they could see all the broken stuff, but weren't sure why. Stuff escalated to me, and it finally clicked! Easy to work-around by using a custom domain, though painful if you want to do access control/signed urls/etc as CF still only supports them on the r2.cloudflare urls. Had to put a worker in front.

51 points by HotGarbage 1y ago

The Great Firewall was so successful for the Chinese ruling class that it will eventually be implemented everywhere to keep the cattle classes in check.

halJordan 1y ago
While I disagree with your equivalence, i think it's undeniable that gfw-lite is certainly coming. Italy/Spain/France routinely block dns and are prepping the legal framework for vpns. Ofcom has extraordinary power in England. Australia has already passed all the recent legislation blocked in the US/UK. Notably though, for all the know-it-alls on this site. Its not the spy agencies getting these powers.
- ls612 1y ago
  Europe may be too far gone but hopefully the US will be OK. If there is one silver lining it is that if any of the site blocking bills get serious consideration this is basically a parade of horribles on a plate for the opponents.
  - throwaway94275 1y ago
    Block BEARD Act is coming.
    - ls612 1y ago
      There have been several proposed but given the current state of Congress I have my doubts any of them are going anywhere soon.
- crote 1y ago
  > Notably though, for all the know-it-alls on this site. Its not the spy agencies getting these powers. How could you possibly know, though? A big issue with these schemes is the complete lack of transparency and any form of due process. Websites are getting blocked without any information being provided, so how are you supposed to distinguish a copyright-related block from a block demanded by a spy agency, or the ISP CEO's golf buddy?
- thebruce87m 1y ago
  > Ofcom has extraordinary power in England Ofcoms power covers all of the UK, not just England.

hyperman1 1y ago

I wish the blocked page made it clear who is doing the blocking, e.g 'This page is blocked by La Liga. Contact their helpdesk at (phone number).' Maybe add the number of their lawyers and CxOs while at it.

hollow-moe 1y ago

I'm pretty sure LaLiga uses cloudflare somewhere in their stack, CF should maliciously comply and bring down their services when a match occurs. Sorry, just following the law.

ranger_danger 1y ago
I'm pretty sure crimeflare is complicit as they also knowingly continue to support other (even worse) websites that host extremist/illegal content such as zoosadism.
- iamnothere 1y ago
  Cloudflare shouldn’t be responsible for traffic that transits their servers any more than backbone peers or ISPs. Go after the actual host or block it with some kind of national or regional firewall. Otherwise you are dooming us to a one-way TV-style internet.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    Except they have already done this for other sites. But if they actually agreed with you, then I think they should remove the relevant language from their ToS that claims they have moral control over what transits their network. But SJWs have previously used this tactic (providers' own ToS) to get websites they don't like taken offline. It has been happening not only to reverse proxy providers, but also to Tier 1 ISPs (who blackholed kiwifarms just like CF), DNS providers, domain registrars and colocation/hosting providers. It starts with the worst sites first, the ones many people will not be upset about having taken offline, and then slowly gets more and more obviously authoritarian. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_They_Came&lang=en https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_They_Came&l...
    - iamnothere 1y ago
      Activists have done this sort of thing, but fortunately their power has waned. I’d rather chalk that up to an isolated set of mistakes from a difficult time in history than accept it as a new norm.

ghoul2 1y ago

well, Jio (Indias largest ISP, with ~300M customers) has cloudflare r2 blocked. And for a while even. I am sure its due to some bucket serving out pirated movies, but this is a bit insane. And neither Jio nor Cloudflare seem to want to figure this out. I have stuff on R2, I don't personally use Jio, and the office has multiple ISPs but not Jio. Customers had randomly complained that some of the icons were broken/some files could not accessed, but never followed up our request for browser console/network snapshots, and our testing always showed everything working fine (we were very small with a handful of customers, at the time). Finally, purely by chance, office network was having issues, so one of my QA people switched to their mobile hotspot, and they were on Jio. And then they could see all the broken stuff, but weren't sure why. Stuff escalated to me, and it finally clicked! Easy to work-around by using a custom domain, though painful if you want to do access control/signed urls/etc as CF still only supports them on the r2.cloudflare urls. Had to put a worker in front.