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Or pay for a YouTube subscription? There is a lot of complaining on hacker news about adverts, yet when Google offer the only other viable solution (subscripti

by pipes 1y ago

Or pay for a YouTube subscription? There is a lot of complaining on hacker news about adverts, yet when Google offer the only other viable solution (subscription fees) everyone still complains.

namibj 1y ago
Doesn't fix the app from booting into a short that thus defaults to playing with sound.
j1elo 1y ago
Problem with that solution is that Youtube is not an independent company that one could be happy to pay for their services. You're paying Google, and there are more than enough reasons to not wanting to give Google any money at all. That's the problem with corporations: they cover too much. I cannot pay Youtube while at the same time not giving an ounce of support to the company that wants to remove all remaining freedoms of the Android ecosystem.
- SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
  Vimeo and Rumble both offer large, independent video sharing platforms with a no-ads option. (For Vimeo it's free!) There's a number of smaller platforms like Nebula offering the same thing in more targeted niches. But most viewers don't care, and most creators prefer to follow the audience.
- kiba 1y ago
  They are monopolies. This is not a new problem. The remedy is that we should tax non-reproducible privilege and/or regulate them if we cannot get rid of their existence. Georgism is a good framework for analyzing monopolies and other non-reproducible privilege. While the internet wasn't around in the 19th century, it seems the closest to diagnosing the ill of "late-stage capitalism", problems that Henry George had experienced in his lifetime.
Krasnol 1y ago
> Or pay for a YouTube subscription? At this point, if I had no choice like ublock: I'd still not pay them. Why should I? To enforce this behaviour so everybody suffers more? What about those people who can't afford a subscription? Why is their mind and attention free to be abused? The advertisement industry has became disgustingly evil. I hate everything about it.
- pipes 1y ago
  So if not by subscription revenue or advertising revenue how will YouTube pay it's costs?
  - Krasnol 1y ago
    I never said "no subscription". There is also obviously a HUGE difference between advertising and advertising. Somehow they could run the page with far less intrusive ads before. It is now a problem and not enough because you have to generate more and more revenue every year. This is however neither a problem of the visitor nor is it required to "pay it's costs". It is pure greed. Not more and not less. So please, do us a favour and stop using this meme. YT is not going to stop working with less greed and less mind/attention rape.

by pipes 1y ago

Or pay for a YouTube subscription? There is a lot of complaining on hacker news about adverts, yet when Google offer the only other viable solution (subscription fees) everyone still complains.

namibj 1y ago

Doesn't fix the app from booting into a short that thus defaults to playing with sound.

j1elo 1y ago

Problem with that solution is that Youtube is not an independent company that one could be happy to pay for their services. You're paying Google, and there are more than enough reasons to not wanting to give Google any money at all. That's the problem with corporations: they cover too much. I cannot pay Youtube while at the same time not giving an ounce of support to the company that wants to remove all remaining freedoms of the Android ecosystem.

SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
Vimeo and Rumble both offer large, independent video sharing platforms with a no-ads option. (For Vimeo it's free!) There's a number of smaller platforms like Nebula offering the same thing in more targeted niches. But most viewers don't care, and most creators prefer to follow the audience.
kiba 1y ago
They are monopolies. This is not a new problem. The remedy is that we should tax non-reproducible privilege and/or regulate them if we cannot get rid of their existence. Georgism is a good framework for analyzing monopolies and other non-reproducible privilege. While the internet wasn't around in the 19th century, it seems the closest to diagnosing the ill of "late-stage capitalism", problems that Henry George had experienced in his lifetime.

Krasnol 1y ago

> Or pay for a YouTube subscription? At this point, if I had no choice like ublock: I'd still not pay them. Why should I? To enforce this behaviour so everybody suffers more? What about those people who can't afford a subscription? Why is their mind and attention free to be abused? The advertisement industry has became disgustingly evil. I hate everything about it.

pipes 1y ago
So if not by subscription revenue or advertising revenue how will YouTube pay it's costs?
- Krasnol 1y ago
  I never said "no subscription". There is also obviously a HUGE difference between advertising and advertising. Somehow they could run the page with far less intrusive ads before. It is now a problem and not enough because you have to generate more and more revenue every year. This is however neither a problem of the visitor nor is it required to "pay it's costs". It is pure greed. Not more and not less. So please, do us a favour and stop using this meme. YT is not going to stop working with less greed and less mind/attention rape.