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>> Yet rather than simply quote Schumer’s words, the NRSC, the campaign arm responsible for electing Republican senators and chaired by Tim Scott, a South Carol

>> Yet rather than simply quote Schumer’s words, the NRSC, the campaign arm responsible for electing Republican senators and chaired by Tim Scott, a South Carolina senator, chose to manufacture synthetic video of him speaking. Democracy is lost to lies.

itsme0000 1y ago
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- yoyohello13 1y ago
  What a coincidence, they say the same thing about the left! Child sacrifice is at least something we can all agree on.
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    This is the bipartisanship I was promised.
  - itsme0000 1y ago
    So you admit it! Only a crazy person would think that left wing person would do something like that. You can share your thoughts if you want though, either claim is valid under the law.
- PakG1 1y ago
  I can't tell if this is sarcasm/satire to make the point about the problem of today's information environment or not.
  - itsme0000 1y ago
    I’m basically saying the lying is going one way because equally absurd claims by the left are suppressed as crazy, but only because they aren’t allowed to become as ubiquitous as crazy right wing claims. Left wing people suppose it’s a free speech issue, but it’s just the normalization of criminal behavior. I can accuse the government of anything and they can’t respond, but the Republicans will always they can retaliate against lies. If I said about a CEO what they said about FEMA employees I’d go to jail.
    - PakG1 1y ago
      If you can't acknowledge that the two sides both accuse each other of the exact same behaviour, you're in an echo chamber.
      - itsme0000 1y ago
        No you just have an opinion. If you believe two contradictory things you’re just lying to yourself. Left wing people comprise 90% of the population of Earth. They just don’t owe media outlets. I don’t know a single Republican and it’s like they are hiding their views all the time in shame.
        PakG1 1y ago
        I'm not sure what to say to you. If left wing people comprised 90% of the earth's population, we wouldn't see right wing governments anywhere. It just wouldn't happen. Republicans are certainly not hiding their views in shame, especially right now. In fact, they're winning. They have no reason to hide in shame. Here's a good example of what I mean by them mimicking each other. This issue of gun shootings in the US is really fascinating if you look at it from far far away with no emotional tie to the subject (which is hard to do for many people, including me). When Minnesota state representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were assassinated by gunshots in their home a few months ago, many right wingers seemed indifferent and some right wingers were even condescending and insulting. Meanwhile, left wingers were correctly very upset. They accused the right wing of condoning and applauding gun violence and assassination instead of peaceful dialogue. At least, that's what I saw on social media. Now we have the other side when social activist Charlie Kirk got assassinated by gunshot. It's a mirror image. Many left wingers seem indifferent and some left wingers are even condescending and insulting. Meanwhile, right wingers are correctly very upset. They accuse the left wing of condoning and applauding gun violence and assassination instead of peaceful dialogue. At least, that's what I saw on social media. I see the right wing accusing Antifa and other groups of being domestic terrorists without acknowledging their own side's problems. I see the left wing accusing Proud Boys and other groups of being domestic terrorists without acknowledging their own side's problems. The two sides just like to point fingers at the other side over and over again. Just a ton of whataboutisms. This is probably the biggest symptom that makes overt their polarization. They don't share the same perceived reality. If you can't agree with that, then we're just another example that don't share a perceived reality. People need to be able to ask themselves, "What if I'm wrong?" People don't do that anymore. I'm trying to though. I hope you do too.
hodgehog11 1y ago
Does this count as slander or libel at some point? Surely it must if they produce fake material to give off a false impression of the subject. Maybe not this case, but we must be getting there.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Probably not at this point, because he actually said it. I mean, it still could be - if the video shows him in a compromising position, if it shows him with a sneer that wasn't how he actually said it, or something else that makes it more negative than just the words. I mean, look, it's still a lie, because it's pretending to be a video of him saying it, and it's not. But it's probably not slander or libel... at this point.
- Natsu 1y ago
  It'd have to make a false statement of fact. The problem with that is, according to the article, Schumer actually did say the words and the video has a disclaimer that it's AI, though it could be more visible since it seems to get partially hidden by video controls. From the article: > A small disclaimer tucked in the corner acknowledges its artificial origins. ... > The video has bewildered those who watched it online, given that the quote itself is real and on the record for Punchbowl News. In the original interview, Schumer explained that Democrats had prepared their healthcare-focused shutdown strategy well in advance, adding: “Their whole theory was – threaten us, bamboozle us and we would submit in a day or two.” The part that's false here, the idea that it's a real video, would be hurt by the disclaimer of it being AI generated in the corner. And it's not a misquote of him, so it seems hard to make a defamation case out of this, even if it feels wrong.
- Timshel 1y ago
  I wonder if a better angle would be just the unauthorized used of likeness. Here it's for actors https://apnews.com/article/california-hollywood-actors-ai-protections-artificial-intelligence-d3d53135ee76849c2da1388efcfc8975 https://apnews.com/article/california-hollywood-actors-ai-pr... but probably shoukd apply to everyone.

itsme0000 1y ago

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yoyohello13 1y ago
What a coincidence, they say the same thing about the left! Child sacrifice is at least something we can all agree on.
- rkomorn 1y ago
  This is the bipartisanship I was promised.
- itsme0000 1y ago
  So you admit it! Only a crazy person would think that left wing person would do something like that. You can share your thoughts if you want though, either claim is valid under the law.
PakG1 1y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcasm/satire to make the point about the problem of today's information environment or not.
- itsme0000 1y ago
  I’m basically saying the lying is going one way because equally absurd claims by the left are suppressed as crazy, but only because they aren’t allowed to become as ubiquitous as crazy right wing claims. Left wing people suppose it’s a free speech issue, but it’s just the normalization of criminal behavior. I can accuse the government of anything and they can’t respond, but the Republicans will always they can retaliate against lies. If I said about a CEO what they said about FEMA employees I’d go to jail.
  - PakG1 1y ago
    If you can't acknowledge that the two sides both accuse each other of the exact same behaviour, you're in an echo chamber.
    - itsme0000 1y ago
      No you just have an opinion. If you believe two contradictory things you’re just lying to yourself. Left wing people comprise 90% of the population of Earth. They just don’t owe media outlets. I don’t know a single Republican and it’s like they are hiding their views all the time in shame.
      - PakG1 1y ago
        I'm not sure what to say to you. If left wing people comprised 90% of the earth's population, we wouldn't see right wing governments anywhere. It just wouldn't happen. Republicans are certainly not hiding their views in shame, especially right now. In fact, they're winning. They have no reason to hide in shame. Here's a good example of what I mean by them mimicking each other. This issue of gun shootings in the US is really fascinating if you look at it from far far away with no emotional tie to the subject (which is hard to do for many people, including me). When Minnesota state representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were assassinated by gunshots in their home a few months ago, many right wingers seemed indifferent and some right wingers were even condescending and insulting. Meanwhile, left wingers were correctly very upset. They accused the right wing of condoning and applauding gun violence and assassination instead of peaceful dialogue. At least, that's what I saw on social media. Now we have the other side when social activist Charlie Kirk got assassinated by gunshot. It's a mirror image. Many left wingers seem indifferent and some left wingers are even condescending and insulting. Meanwhile, right wingers are correctly very upset. They accuse the left wing of condoning and applauding gun violence and assassination instead of peaceful dialogue. At least, that's what I saw on social media. I see the right wing accusing Antifa and other groups of being domestic terrorists without acknowledging their own side's problems. I see the left wing accusing Proud Boys and other groups of being domestic terrorists without acknowledging their own side's problems. The two sides just like to point fingers at the other side over and over again. Just a ton of whataboutisms. This is probably the biggest symptom that makes overt their polarization. They don't share the same perceived reality. If you can't agree with that, then we're just another example that don't share a perceived reality. People need to be able to ask themselves, "What if I'm wrong?" People don't do that anymore. I'm trying to though. I hope you do too.

hodgehog11 1y ago

Does this count as slander or libel at some point? Surely it must if they produce fake material to give off a false impression of the subject. Maybe not this case, but we must be getting there.

AnimalMuppet 1y ago
Probably not at this point, because he actually said it. I mean, it still could be - if the video shows him in a compromising position, if it shows him with a sneer that wasn't how he actually said it, or something else that makes it more negative than just the words. I mean, look, it's still a lie, because it's pretending to be a video of him saying it, and it's not. But it's probably not slander or libel... at this point.
Natsu 1y ago
It'd have to make a false statement of fact. The problem with that is, according to the article, Schumer actually did say the words and the video has a disclaimer that it's AI, though it could be more visible since it seems to get partially hidden by video controls. From the article: > A small disclaimer tucked in the corner acknowledges its artificial origins. ... > The video has bewildered those who watched it online, given that the quote itself is real and on the record for Punchbowl News. In the original interview, Schumer explained that Democrats had prepared their healthcare-focused shutdown strategy well in advance, adding: “Their whole theory was – threaten us, bamboozle us and we would submit in a day or two.” The part that's false here, the idea that it's a real video, would be hurt by the disclaimer of it being AI generated in the corner. And it's not a misquote of him, so it seems hard to make a defamation case out of this, even if it feels wrong.
Timshel 1y ago
I wonder if a better angle would be just the unauthorized used of likeness. Here it's for actors https://apnews.com/article/california-hollywood-actors-ai-protections-artificial-intelligence-d3d53135ee76849c2da1388efcfc8975 https://apnews.com/article/california-hollywood-actors-ai-pr... but probably shoukd apply to everyone.