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The problem with relying on parents is that they're either reckless or simply unable to prevent the kids from smoking. By the time they're teenagers, it's pret

The problem with relying on parents is that they're either reckless or simply unable to prevent the kids from smoking. By the time they're teenagers, it's pretty easy for them to access anything on the internet regardless of the controls implemented. 4chan is a cesspool, and society is worse off letting it fester, but you arn't solving this problem by "personal responsibility" of parents.

mothballed 1y ago
You can legally order pipe tobacco and cigars on the internet in the US without showing ID. When I was a kid you could do it with wine too, and I doubt that's changed. I don't find it to be a problem.
- malfist 1y ago
  Depends on the state. You absolutely cannot order alcohol online in Kentucky
  - mothballed 1y ago
    buywinesonline.com (random retailer I found) says they do Buy Wines Online currently does not ship alcohol to AL, MI, MS, UT, HI, AK Says it requires an "adult signature" but anyone who's signed for fedex/ups knows they don't check your ID. I can say, when I was in high school, they did not check...
    - malfist 1y ago
      Kentucky has some weird laws. You can ship, but only if the distillery makes less than so many gallons of stuff per year
      - lazide 1y ago
        There is a wide gulf between ‘your county sheriff will get angry if they find out’ and ‘UPS/Fedex will not deliver it in a nondescript brown box’.
jay_kyburz 1y ago
I think smoking is a little different for a few reasons. It's physically addictive with harsh withdrawal symptoms that makes it difficult to quit; and it has significant healthcare costs for the wider community when smokers eventually get sick and die prematurely. Nobody is going to get addicted and die prematurely from reading 4chan. Cleaning what you consider a cesspool is not the job of the government. These laws are about kids stumbling into the cesspool before they are ready. Parents can choose to just not give their kids phones till they are 12 or 13 (highschool). Before that, internet access is on locked down devices in the family room with somebody else around. Personally I think once your kids are about 13-14 you have probably had your chance to pass on your morals, they need to be mentally prepared to encounter bad stuff on the internet and deal with it.
- cyanydeez 1y ago
  social media is clearly physically addictive. America's turned into a neonazi democracy partly because of this.
  - exoverito 1y ago
    Psychologically perhaps, but to say physically addictive is not precise. The government in general has been becoming increasingly authoritarian and centralized far before social media, see the abuses of the CIA and MK ULTRA, Operation Mockingbird, COINTELPRO, the War on Terror. You use the term neonazi, yet I hope you're honest enough to recognize the left also has dark authoritarian impulses. It was only a few years ago that we had ruinous lockdowns, widespread censorship, illegal mandates for experimental medical interventions, mostly peaceful riots, a 30% spike in homicides, anarcho-tyranny with the prosecution of Kyle Rittenhouse and Daniel Penny, etc.
    - ares623 1y ago
      How is nicotine different from dopamine? Both are addictive chemistry. One comes in little sticks, the other comes in a black glass and metal slab.

mothballed 1y ago

You can legally order pipe tobacco and cigars on the internet in the US without showing ID. When I was a kid you could do it with wine too, and I doubt that's changed. I don't find it to be a problem.

malfist 1y ago
Depends on the state. You absolutely cannot order alcohol online in Kentucky
- mothballed 1y ago
  buywinesonline.com (random retailer I found) says they do Buy Wines Online currently does not ship alcohol to AL, MI, MS, UT, HI, AK Says it requires an "adult signature" but anyone who's signed for fedex/ups knows they don't check your ID. I can say, when I was in high school, they did not check...
  - malfist 1y ago
    Kentucky has some weird laws. You can ship, but only if the distillery makes less than so many gallons of stuff per year
    - lazide 1y ago
      There is a wide gulf between ‘your county sheriff will get angry if they find out’ and ‘UPS/Fedex will not deliver it in a nondescript brown box’.

jay_kyburz 1y ago

I think smoking is a little different for a few reasons. It's physically addictive with harsh withdrawal symptoms that makes it difficult to quit; and it has significant healthcare costs for the wider community when smokers eventually get sick and die prematurely. Nobody is going to get addicted and die prematurely from reading 4chan. Cleaning what you consider a cesspool is not the job of the government. These laws are about kids stumbling into the cesspool before they are ready. Parents can choose to just not give their kids phones till they are 12 or 13 (highschool). Before that, internet access is on locked down devices in the family room with somebody else around. Personally I think once your kids are about 13-14 you have probably had your chance to pass on your morals, they need to be mentally prepared to encounter bad stuff on the internet and deal with it.

cyanydeez 1y ago
social media is clearly physically addictive. America's turned into a neonazi democracy partly because of this.
- exoverito 1y ago
  Psychologically perhaps, but to say physically addictive is not precise. The government in general has been becoming increasingly authoritarian and centralized far before social media, see the abuses of the CIA and MK ULTRA, Operation Mockingbird, COINTELPRO, the War on Terror. You use the term neonazi, yet I hope you're honest enough to recognize the left also has dark authoritarian impulses. It was only a few years ago that we had ruinous lockdowns, widespread censorship, illegal mandates for experimental medical interventions, mostly peaceful riots, a 30% spike in homicides, anarcho-tyranny with the prosecution of Kyle Rittenhouse and Daniel Penny, etc.
  - ares623 1y ago
    How is nicotine different from dopamine? Both are addictive chemistry. One comes in little sticks, the other comes in a black glass and metal slab.