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I actually agree. I have said this in another comment but I feel like its up to us. Slavery wasn't eradicated suddenly and became suddenly morally bad, I think

I actually agree. I have said this in another comment but I feel like its up to us. Slavery wasn't eradicated suddenly and became suddenly morally bad, I think that slowly but steadily we got better though till the point that now everyone mostly considers slavery morally evil. Lets hope the same can be the case with animals as well. I can't emphasize the impact of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI&t=25s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI&t=25s (earthlings documentary) had on me. I am mostly vegan (well aside from some eggs which I also can easily quit), I highly recommend it.

DonHopkins 1y ago
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- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this. I have hope that America/ any country can fix itself though, it isn't too late. Let's still hope things change for better since I feel like a lot of countries are becoming radicalized in that sense. I guess we gotta be worried about what discourse we allow in our society or have some better checks and balances all around the world to lessen radicalization I suppose. Also paradox of tolerance strikes again, should we be intolerant to intolerance as in this case, you decide.
  - bobxmax 1y ago
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  - ztetranz 1y ago
    > I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this. Very true. https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk?si=S65WGSBEGy8XEt27 https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk?si=S65WGSBEGy8XEt27
    - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
      I know, I actually watched multiple clips like these. he's a good man from what I can tell. Like he had his differences in political matters and that's okay. Its okay and even nice to have differences and to discuss them and from what I know his family served in military, his children served in military which is more than what you can expect from politicians nowadays all across the world. I would say that I am a democrat but seriously, McCain was a class act as I said earlier. Just a little disappointed in world politics right now, I hope politicans can look at people like John McCain and others and actually start being better as well. I guess I could just hope I guess, but I am on bluesky and sometimes I get so extremist democratic and I feel like republicans could be alienated from that. Idk, we all gotta get together and figure things out with responsibility inspired by John McCain Rest In peace Sir. You will be remembered all around the world.
- winter_blue 1y ago
  The stuff coming out of young republicans is beyond the pale. These kids are making vile jokes about doing a genocide / Holocaust of Democrats, minorities, their political opponents, etc. And they’ve been consistently doing it for so long in this chat, that it’s hard to dismiss this as some crass joking. It seems like many of these people sincerely hold pro-Nazi views.
  - jmdeon 1y ago
    I don't consider late 20s and early 30s to be "kids" though.
- moduspol 1y ago
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  - jmdeon 1y ago
    Peter Giunta, who said "I love Hitler" and "Everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber", is 31 years old. The others in the group are in their 20s..
  - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
    > insincerely You think these guys would become conscientious objectors if they got the order to man the gas chamber? You think they would have passed up the chance to visit Epstein island? Somehow I don't
aksss 1y ago
I believe there are more slaves today than ever in the history of the planet simply due to population growth. While everyone WE know thinks slavery is morally evil, most of the world does not hold that view. In fact, I would say the default human view (looking at all cultures across time memorial) is that slavery is the rule not the exception. That doesn't go away with modernity, it goes away with culture.
- flkiwi 1y ago
  There’s also a significant conversation about mere illegality and social rejection not actually doing much to address the underlying tendency to exploitation that (a) has prevented reconciliation and relief for formerly enslaved people and their descendants for more than a century and (b) is woven through the labor model common even in the West. Exploited paid laborers aren’t in the same category as enslaved persons, but we shouldn’t fall into the trap of believing that economic injustice has been meaningfully addressed.
  - aksss 1y ago
    No, we’re talking about actual slavery in modern times, not exploited labor. Actual slavery is still very much a thing.
- ants_everywhere 1y ago
  To make room for slavery mentally you have to believe that some people are subhuman or at least beneath the threshold for human rights. What's surprising to me is that it's become more common to describe people you dislike as subhuman and to for people to support violence or cruelty toward them. Similarly there is a trend to see hatred and anger as positive goods.
  - aksss 1y ago
    I would avoid analogizing this to the petty political fads of the west. Actual human slavery is still a very real thing in much of the world. Slavery is likely less about making mental room so much as being raised in an environment where it’s normalized. In other words, the mental room was allocated in the new construction of the world view more often than remodeled.
dTal 1y ago
> aside from some eggs which I also can easily quit Curious why you don't, then. Factory egg production isn't pretty.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  Well I had eaten last eggs I guess 2-3 months ago when my father kept on insisting it. Otherwise i had quit it for an year straight or maybe longer, I just didn't want to say I had quit when I recently ate them (and actually I didn't like them thaat much) I rarely used to eat eggs but when they hurt my conscience I stopped eating it and its quite easy and I was never a true egg eater anyway, maybe on rare occasions which I have also stopped now. So you could say I have quit :) but its always funny having my father explain to me that they are build in factories ,like, its still messy for those poor animals...

DonHopkins 1y ago

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Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this. I have hope that America/ any country can fix itself though, it isn't too late. Let's still hope things change for better since I feel like a lot of countries are becoming radicalized in that sense. I guess we gotta be worried about what discourse we allow in our society or have some better checks and balances all around the world to lessen radicalization I suppose. Also paradox of tolerance strikes again, should we be intolerant to intolerance as in this case, you decide.
- bobxmax 1y ago
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- ztetranz 1y ago
  > I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this. Very true. https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk?si=S65WGSBEGy8XEt27 https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk?si=S65WGSBEGy8XEt27
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    I know, I actually watched multiple clips like these. he's a good man from what I can tell. Like he had his differences in political matters and that's okay. Its okay and even nice to have differences and to discuss them and from what I know his family served in military, his children served in military which is more than what you can expect from politicians nowadays all across the world. I would say that I am a democrat but seriously, McCain was a class act as I said earlier. Just a little disappointed in world politics right now, I hope politicans can look at people like John McCain and others and actually start being better as well. I guess I could just hope I guess, but I am on bluesky and sometimes I get so extremist democratic and I feel like republicans could be alienated from that. Idk, we all gotta get together and figure things out with responsibility inspired by John McCain Rest In peace Sir. You will be remembered all around the world.
winter_blue 1y ago
The stuff coming out of young republicans is beyond the pale. These kids are making vile jokes about doing a genocide / Holocaust of Democrats, minorities, their political opponents, etc. And they’ve been consistently doing it for so long in this chat, that it’s hard to dismiss this as some crass joking. It seems like many of these people sincerely hold pro-Nazi views.
- jmdeon 1y ago
  I don't consider late 20s and early 30s to be "kids" though.
moduspol 1y ago
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- jmdeon 1y ago
  Peter Giunta, who said "I love Hitler" and "Everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber", is 31 years old. The others in the group are in their 20s..
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  > insincerely You think these guys would become conscientious objectors if they got the order to man the gas chamber? You think they would have passed up the chance to visit Epstein island? Somehow I don't

aksss 1y ago

I believe there are more slaves today than ever in the history of the planet simply due to population growth. While everyone WE know thinks slavery is morally evil, most of the world does not hold that view. In fact, I would say the default human view (looking at all cultures across time memorial) is that slavery is the rule not the exception. That doesn't go away with modernity, it goes away with culture.

flkiwi 1y ago
There’s also a significant conversation about mere illegality and social rejection not actually doing much to address the underlying tendency to exploitation that (a) has prevented reconciliation and relief for formerly enslaved people and their descendants for more than a century and (b) is woven through the labor model common even in the West. Exploited paid laborers aren’t in the same category as enslaved persons, but we shouldn’t fall into the trap of believing that economic injustice has been meaningfully addressed.
- aksss 1y ago
  No, we’re talking about actual slavery in modern times, not exploited labor. Actual slavery is still very much a thing.
ants_everywhere 1y ago
To make room for slavery mentally you have to believe that some people are subhuman or at least beneath the threshold for human rights. What's surprising to me is that it's become more common to describe people you dislike as subhuman and to for people to support violence or cruelty toward them. Similarly there is a trend to see hatred and anger as positive goods.
- aksss 1y ago
  I would avoid analogizing this to the petty political fads of the west. Actual human slavery is still a very real thing in much of the world. Slavery is likely less about making mental room so much as being raised in an environment where it’s normalized. In other words, the mental room was allocated in the new construction of the world view more often than remodeled.

dTal 1y ago

> aside from some eggs which I also can easily quit Curious why you don't, then. Factory egg production isn't pretty.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
Well I had eaten last eggs I guess 2-3 months ago when my father kept on insisting it. Otherwise i had quit it for an year straight or maybe longer, I just didn't want to say I had quit when I recently ate them (and actually I didn't like them thaat much) I rarely used to eat eggs but when they hurt my conscience I stopped eating it and its quite easy and I was never a true egg eater anyway, maybe on rare occasions which I have also stopped now. So you could say I have quit :) but its always funny having my father explain to me that they are build in factories ,like, its still messy for those poor animals...