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> 10 years ago I was in a meeting with them where they said they couldn't implement something because they wouldn't be able to use it for 5 years... They still

> 10 years ago I was in a meeting with them where they said they couldn't implement something because they wouldn't be able to use it for 5 years... They still haven't implemented it. I call that trailer park logic: They say: "Why go to college? That will take four years and I need a job now!" Then four years later, while still in a dead end job: "Why go to college? That will take four years and I need a job now!"

Filligree 1y ago
It's a trap, but that doesn't mean it's escapable if you do need a job now.
- observationist 1y ago
  It's the type of trap that only works if you agree to allow it to work. You might call it Sunk Opportunity Cost Assumption, mostly fits.
  - littlecosmic 1y ago
    The trap will work if you are near destitute.
    - observationist 1y ago
      Right, that's the point though - at some point, getting out of that circumstance is the best available move, meaning walking away - dropping everything and just walking away, somewhere different, is going to be better than staying where you're at and continuing to struggle. Bankruptcy, homelessness in big cities, addictions, abusive relationships, there are all sorts of contexts where people get stuck, and they feel compelled to stay and struggle and try to battle through whatever those challenges are. They feel like they have a duty to battle out the hardest, most impossible struggles where nobody reasonable in the entire world would expect them to have to overcome. Sometimes the best available move is physically escaping, just getting up and walking away and continuing until you find anything better than where you were at. For some weird reason, that move feels like giving up to people, until they actually do it and it works. This move is sometimes appropriate for jobs, relationships, addictions, violent circumstances, toxic social groups, politics, and so on. If you've got next to nothing, then you have almost nothing to lose, and that can be a profound amount of freedom if it's seized. It's not always the right move, but sometimes the only winning move is not to play. Go find a better game.
krzrak 1y ago
So profound. I'm keeping it to use later :)
- potato3732842 1y ago
  It's not profound. It's literally just the age old <group of of people> <thing> combination but with a couple extra words to seem high brow and the group it casts shade upon is picked to confirm certain biases.
  - mapontosevenths 1y ago
    People who live in trailer parks are poorer and have lower educational attainment than other groups. It's not a bias to acknowledge this or to reference it. It's also not unreasonable to believe that the two things are linked.
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      You could've called it hoodrat logic, their educational and financial success is on the same order. Why not call it woman logic? They are famous for strictly using long term planning and cold logic to plan their lives to the point they even joke about it. You could've subbed in just about any nationality. But you chose trailer park because the point was to pick a group of people that a bunch of other educated white collar people (I think the trailer park people would use the term "coastal elites" for this group, lol) like feeling better than, hence why the other groups wouldn't do. If you wanted to make if harmless you could've chose any manner of public personality (politicians are gold mines for peddling short sighted stuff, plenty of examples to choose from) to name it after.
      - mapontosevenths 1y ago
        > But you chose trailer park because the point was to pick a group of people that a bunch of other educated white collar people (I think the trailer park people would use the term "coastal elites" for this group, lol) like feeling better than, hence why the other groups wouldn't do. I started calling it that when I lived in the trailer park. > If you wanted to make if harmless It's already harmless. The people who live in trailer parks don't need your protection, and acknowledging that most of them don't want to be there isn't hurting anyone at all.
dgfitz 1y ago
Going to college usually means you work the same job after college, just with a lot more debt.
nradov 1y ago
That logic is also how established tech companies allow startups with disruptive technology to eat their lunch. Of course it can sometimes take decades for that disruptive innovation to appear.
philipallstar 1y ago
> They say: "Why go to college? That will take four years and I need a job now!" This is more like: "Why implement it? That won't be seen for five years and I need a promotion now!"

Filligree 1y ago

It's a trap, but that doesn't mean it's escapable if you do need a job now.

observationist 1y ago
It's the type of trap that only works if you agree to allow it to work. You might call it Sunk Opportunity Cost Assumption, mostly fits.
- littlecosmic 1y ago
  The trap will work if you are near destitute.
  - observationist 1y ago
    Right, that's the point though - at some point, getting out of that circumstance is the best available move, meaning walking away - dropping everything and just walking away, somewhere different, is going to be better than staying where you're at and continuing to struggle. Bankruptcy, homelessness in big cities, addictions, abusive relationships, there are all sorts of contexts where people get stuck, and they feel compelled to stay and struggle and try to battle through whatever those challenges are. They feel like they have a duty to battle out the hardest, most impossible struggles where nobody reasonable in the entire world would expect them to have to overcome. Sometimes the best available move is physically escaping, just getting up and walking away and continuing until you find anything better than where you were at. For some weird reason, that move feels like giving up to people, until they actually do it and it works. This move is sometimes appropriate for jobs, relationships, addictions, violent circumstances, toxic social groups, politics, and so on. If you've got next to nothing, then you have almost nothing to lose, and that can be a profound amount of freedom if it's seized. It's not always the right move, but sometimes the only winning move is not to play. Go find a better game.

krzrak 1y ago

So profound. I'm keeping it to use later :)

potato3732842 1y ago
It's not profound. It's literally just the age old <group of of people> <thing> combination but with a couple extra words to seem high brow and the group it casts shade upon is picked to confirm certain biases.
- mapontosevenths 1y ago
  People who live in trailer parks are poorer and have lower educational attainment than other groups. It's not a bias to acknowledge this or to reference it. It's also not unreasonable to believe that the two things are linked.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    You could've called it hoodrat logic, their educational and financial success is on the same order. Why not call it woman logic? They are famous for strictly using long term planning and cold logic to plan their lives to the point they even joke about it. You could've subbed in just about any nationality. But you chose trailer park because the point was to pick a group of people that a bunch of other educated white collar people (I think the trailer park people would use the term "coastal elites" for this group, lol) like feeling better than, hence why the other groups wouldn't do. If you wanted to make if harmless you could've chose any manner of public personality (politicians are gold mines for peddling short sighted stuff, plenty of examples to choose from) to name it after.
    - mapontosevenths 1y ago
      > But you chose trailer park because the point was to pick a group of people that a bunch of other educated white collar people (I think the trailer park people would use the term "coastal elites" for this group, lol) like feeling better than, hence why the other groups wouldn't do. I started calling it that when I lived in the trailer park. > If you wanted to make if harmless It's already harmless. The people who live in trailer parks don't need your protection, and acknowledging that most of them don't want to be there isn't hurting anyone at all.

dgfitz 1y ago

Going to college usually means you work the same job after college, just with a lot more debt.

nradov 1y ago

That logic is also how established tech companies allow startups with disruptive technology to eat their lunch. Of course it can sometimes take decades for that disruptive innovation to appear.

philipallstar 1y ago

> They say: "Why go to college? That will take four years and I need a job now!" This is more like: "Why implement it? That won't be seen for five years and I need a promotion now!"