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49.8% of the population voted for Trump, myself among them. First time voting Republican. Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. And almos

by ap99 1y ago

49.8% of the population voted for Trump, myself among them. First time voting Republican. Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. And almost everything Democrats have said and done has reaffirmed my choice. Every one I've spoken to that has been surprised Trump was elected lives in a bubble. Hacker News is one such bubble. You're not going to get any reliable "when are the masses going to revolt" info here.

intermerda 1y ago
> Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. Did you always have fascist tendencies or did Trump bring them out?
adamors 1y ago
About 77 million people voted for Trump in 2024, that is 22% of the US population. He is actually far more unpopular than people think.
- ap99 1y ago
  This is how you lie with statistics. What percent of the US population is eligible to vote, what percent actually voted, and which percent did Kamala receive?
- Amezarak 1y ago
  That would be approximately the same percentage of the population that voted for Obama in 2008. (69 million votes, 304 million people, 22%.) I don't think this is a crazy argument to make, but only if you make clear by this standard almost no President has ever been "popular", and almost no PM in other countries.
rl1987 1y ago
People being grabbed off the streets and transported to prison in unrelated country is what you voted for?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  If there is anything Trump is doing popularly, it’s aggressively removing illegal immigrants from our streets. To the extent there is tolerance for Fourth Amendment violations, it may be from historic indifference to enforcing our immigration laws.
  - matwood 1y ago
    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker The aggressiveness is losing people who may have supported his immigration policies initially.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > aggressiveness is losing people Losing, but hasn’t lost. Point is if someone is proudly pro-Trump right now, immigration probably isn’t going to prompt introspection.
    - krapp 1y ago
      They gave him his second term, he doesn't need them anymore.
  - ap99 1y ago
    This is it, exactly. I used to be a very "live and let live" type of person. Then the relaxed "let live" part got abused. I've seen what happens first hand having lived in NYC for 6 years, and now living in London.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      100% And most don't realize that many EU nations have tighter restrictions on immigration now than the US after seeing what effect lax policies have on their nation.
  - pjc50 1y ago
    .. and people who are legal immigrants, and people who've just left immigration court, and of course some actual US nationals. It's amazing the power of fear of crime to get people to demand the Federal government jackboot.
chinathrow 1y ago
Would it be possible to briefly list what you voted him for?
- ap99 1y ago
  Immigration is #1.
  - chinathrow 1y ago
    Do you mean illegal immigration in this case or immigration in general?
    - adamors 1y ago
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      - pb7 1y ago
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fabian2k 1y ago
So you want a dictator? You want random tariffs based on Trump's gut feeling? You want foreign-looking US citizens to be detained at will by ICE? You want every part of the government to be corrupt, rampant insider trading based on political decisions? You want a government that retaliates against companies and people it doesn't like, and uses the force of the government to harrass them?
- pjc50 1y ago
  We can only conclude yes. Or rather, these people want Federal government violence and troops on the street because they just hate "immigrants" that much. I'm surprised they haven't chiseled the poem off the Statue of Liberty yet.
- ap99 1y ago
  None of what you said is true. You're the bubble I'm talking about. Until people like you start dealing in facts the pendulum will continue to swing right as it pushes people like me further in that direction.
  - fabian2k 1y ago
    You deny that ICE has arrested US citizens and only released them after hours or days? You deny that Trump and his family are using their political status to earn money? You that Trump's tarrif policy is erratic, with vague announcements on social media that are often reverted or not followed through later?
    - hypeatei 1y ago
      You're not arguing with someone who is willing to change their mind. Vague responses about "this is what I voted for" and "you're forcing me and others to vote for Trump" are typical signs of someone who's in the cult. It's common for them to feign interest in multiple parties, but they were always going to vote for the Republican candidate and proclaim Dems are the evil elites. This is common with "centrists", "moderates", "undecided", etc... they'll always be shy Republicans who are too scared to say that they're drinking the kool-aid.
mexicocitinluez 1y ago
lol You're admitting that you wanted to vote for a guy who is committing an unprecedented amount of corruption? Taking bribes via his own personal bitcoin? You wanted a President that pardons people who give him money? lol. Really? Or have the guy who had a literal brainworm and doesn't believe in germs determining American's health? lol Did you vote to have a WWF person run the dept of education? Are you an adult with a functioning brain? You voted for a recession lol. You voted for tanking an economy and prices getting higher lol You voted to have college students writing op-eds critical of Israel deported (No offense, get out of this country if you don't think people should have the right to criticize any government they want) You voted for the guy who wants to jail people for burning the flag You voted for the guy who wants to take away news licenses because they;re mean to him You voted to have more expensive healthcare You voted to have all our allies abandon us and laugh at his speeches You voted for a pedophile. Like an actual pedophile. Congrats on bragging about that one. You voted to have coal mines reopened lololloooollollo and for the people who don't think solar energy is renewable because it can be nighttime too hahahahahahahahahahah What is it lke having the worldview of a toddler?
tokai 1y ago
Thank you for your vote. Its great to see Pax Americana dissolve in real time.
- BLKNSLVR 1y ago
  We are certainly witness to history at the moment. I just hope all those that deserve to, survive to see how this snippet of history gets recorded.
mlrtime 1y ago
ap99 The replies here are why politics should not be discussed here. You said nothing wrong, but the replies are ridiculous. They summarize down to something like "When did you start becoming a Nazi" or "When did you start liking pedophiles, are you also a pedophile?"
- hypeatei 1y ago
  Voting has consequences, and burying your head in the sand is no way to deal with that. If the accusations of fascism make you uncomfortable: good. Maybe you should encourage your side to take less steps in that direction and vote for better people. As for the pedophilia accusations: one of Trump's main talking points was releasing the Epstein files, his AG "had the files on her desk", right wing media pundits were proclaiming everything was going to get exposed and... we get nothing. He now calls it a "Democrat hoax" and tells everyone to forget about it.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    Yes, voting does have consequences. My head isn't buried, I'm not easily manipulated by loud internet activists that resort to name calling. Idk about Epstein or the files, doesn't affect me or 99% of the daily lives of the average wage earner in America. If you think that makes him a pedophile or anyone who supports him a pedophile, well good luck with that.
    - donkeybeer 1y ago
      I am glad you agree you have no problem with pedophiles in office.
    - hypeatei 1y ago
      > My head isn't buried > Idk about Epstein or the files Okay.
- donkeybeer 1y ago
  I dont believe in this fucking kid gloves bullshit. If you made a decision then man up and fucking own its consequences good or bad otherwise admit you are a coward and liar.
BLKNSLVR 1y ago
Thank you for being brave enough to speak up and say that this is what you voted for. How do you feel it squares with the Constitution? Are immigrants bankrupting / destroying the country? Should the Democrats give up their attempts to prevent health premiums from doubling next year? Do you believe the Democrats want to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants? Are you 100% supportive of the way ICE has been going about their business? Do you believe Portland is a war zone? Do you believe the US can compete with China in manufacturing? Did Russia start the war with Ukraine? If it came to choosing sides would you choose Russia or Ukraine, or should the US extract themselves from it entirely? (passively choosing Russia) Is inflation over? Should the Fed be cutting rates? Is the economy booming?
garte 1y ago
You must be bummed out that your party didn't get a candidate that follows your morals and values and on top of all that is a convicted felon. Wouldn't you have wanted a better candidate?
- cudgy 1y ago
  Good luck finding a candidate that follows your morals and values that’s willing to run for president.

by ap99 1y ago

intermerda 1y ago

> Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. Did you always have fascist tendencies or did Trump bring them out?

adamors 1y ago

About 77 million people voted for Trump in 2024, that is 22% of the US population. He is actually far more unpopular than people think.

ap99 1y ago
This is how you lie with statistics. What percent of the US population is eligible to vote, what percent actually voted, and which percent did Kamala receive?
Amezarak 1y ago
That would be approximately the same percentage of the population that voted for Obama in 2008. (69 million votes, 304 million people, 22%.) I don't think this is a crazy argument to make, but only if you make clear by this standard almost no President has ever been "popular", and almost no PM in other countries.

rl1987 1y ago

People being grabbed off the streets and transported to prison in unrelated country is what you voted for?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
If there is anything Trump is doing popularly, it’s aggressively removing illegal immigrants from our streets. To the extent there is tolerance for Fourth Amendment violations, it may be from historic indifference to enforcing our immigration laws.
- matwood 1y ago
  https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker The aggressiveness is losing people who may have supported his immigration policies initially.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > aggressiveness is losing people Losing, but hasn’t lost. Point is if someone is proudly pro-Trump right now, immigration probably isn’t going to prompt introspection.
  - krapp 1y ago
    They gave him his second term, he doesn't need them anymore.
- ap99 1y ago
  This is it, exactly. I used to be a very "live and let live" type of person. Then the relaxed "let live" part got abused. I've seen what happens first hand having lived in NYC for 6 years, and now living in London.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    100% And most don't realize that many EU nations have tighter restrictions on immigration now than the US after seeing what effect lax policies have on their nation.
- pjc50 1y ago
  .. and people who are legal immigrants, and people who've just left immigration court, and of course some actual US nationals. It's amazing the power of fear of crime to get people to demand the Federal government jackboot.

chinathrow 1y ago

Would it be possible to briefly list what you voted him for?

ap99 1y ago
Immigration is #1.
- chinathrow 1y ago
  Do you mean illegal immigration in this case or immigration in general?
  - adamors 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - pb7 1y ago
      [flagged]

fabian2k 1y ago

So you want a dictator? You want random tariffs based on Trump's gut feeling? You want foreign-looking US citizens to be detained at will by ICE? You want every part of the government to be corrupt, rampant insider trading based on political decisions? You want a government that retaliates against companies and people it doesn't like, and uses the force of the government to harrass them?

pjc50 1y ago
We can only conclude yes. Or rather, these people want Federal government violence and troops on the street because they just hate "immigrants" that much. I'm surprised they haven't chiseled the poem off the Statue of Liberty yet.
ap99 1y ago
None of what you said is true. You're the bubble I'm talking about. Until people like you start dealing in facts the pendulum will continue to swing right as it pushes people like me further in that direction.
- fabian2k 1y ago
  You deny that ICE has arrested US citizens and only released them after hours or days? You deny that Trump and his family are using their political status to earn money? You that Trump's tarrif policy is erratic, with vague announcements on social media that are often reverted or not followed through later?
  - hypeatei 1y ago
    You're not arguing with someone who is willing to change their mind. Vague responses about "this is what I voted for" and "you're forcing me and others to vote for Trump" are typical signs of someone who's in the cult. It's common for them to feign interest in multiple parties, but they were always going to vote for the Republican candidate and proclaim Dems are the evil elites. This is common with "centrists", "moderates", "undecided", etc... they'll always be shy Republicans who are too scared to say that they're drinking the kool-aid.

mexicocitinluez 1y ago

lol You're admitting that you wanted to vote for a guy who is committing an unprecedented amount of corruption? Taking bribes via his own personal bitcoin? You wanted a President that pardons people who give him money? lol. Really? Or have the guy who had a literal brainworm and doesn't believe in germs determining American's health? lol Did you vote to have a WWF person run the dept of education? Are you an adult with a functioning brain? You voted for a recession lol. You voted for tanking an economy and prices getting higher lol You voted to have college students writing op-eds critical of Israel deported (No offense, get out of this country if you don't think people should have the right to criticize any government they want) You voted for the guy who wants to jail people for burning the flag You voted for the guy who wants to take away news licenses because they;re mean to him You voted to have more expensive healthcare You voted to have all our allies abandon us and laugh at his speeches You voted for a pedophile. Like an actual pedophile. Congrats on bragging about that one. You voted to have coal mines reopened lololloooollollo and for the people who don't think solar energy is renewable because it can be nighttime too hahahahahahahahahahah What is it lke having the worldview of a toddler?

tokai 1y ago

Thank you for your vote. Its great to see Pax Americana dissolve in real time.

BLKNSLVR 1y ago
We are certainly witness to history at the moment. I just hope all those that deserve to, survive to see how this snippet of history gets recorded.

mlrtime 1y ago

ap99 The replies here are why politics should not be discussed here. You said nothing wrong, but the replies are ridiculous. They summarize down to something like "When did you start becoming a Nazi" or "When did you start liking pedophiles, are you also a pedophile?"

hypeatei 1y ago
Voting has consequences, and burying your head in the sand is no way to deal with that. If the accusations of fascism make you uncomfortable: good. Maybe you should encourage your side to take less steps in that direction and vote for better people. As for the pedophilia accusations: one of Trump's main talking points was releasing the Epstein files, his AG "had the files on her desk", right wing media pundits were proclaiming everything was going to get exposed and... we get nothing. He now calls it a "Democrat hoax" and tells everyone to forget about it.
- mlrtime 1y ago
  Yes, voting does have consequences. My head isn't buried, I'm not easily manipulated by loud internet activists that resort to name calling. Idk about Epstein or the files, doesn't affect me or 99% of the daily lives of the average wage earner in America. If you think that makes him a pedophile or anyone who supports him a pedophile, well good luck with that.
  - donkeybeer 1y ago
    I am glad you agree you have no problem with pedophiles in office.
  - hypeatei 1y ago
    > My head isn't buried > Idk about Epstein or the files Okay.
donkeybeer 1y ago
I dont believe in this fucking kid gloves bullshit. If you made a decision then man up and fucking own its consequences good or bad otherwise admit you are a coward and liar.

BLKNSLVR 1y ago

Thank you for being brave enough to speak up and say that this is what you voted for. How do you feel it squares with the Constitution? Are immigrants bankrupting / destroying the country? Should the Democrats give up their attempts to prevent health premiums from doubling next year? Do you believe the Democrats want to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants? Are you 100% supportive of the way ICE has been going about their business? Do you believe Portland is a war zone? Do you believe the US can compete with China in manufacturing? Did Russia start the war with Ukraine? If it came to choosing sides would you choose Russia or Ukraine, or should the US extract themselves from it entirely? (passively choosing Russia) Is inflation over? Should the Fed be cutting rates? Is the economy booming?

garte 1y ago

You must be bummed out that your party didn't get a candidate that follows your morals and values and on top of all that is a convicted felon. Wouldn't you have wanted a better candidate?

cudgy 1y ago
Good luck finding a candidate that follows your morals and values that’s willing to run for president.