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Not a US citizen but affected by the current trajectory of the policies by the current administration. I wonder at what point in time people will have enough w
by chinathrow 1y ago
Not a US citizen but affected by the current trajectory of the policies by the current administration.
I wonder at what point in time people will have enough with what they are changing. How does the HN crew based in the US think about the current administration?
- actionfromafar 1y ago”Let’s not talk politics, it’s just inflammatory. Hey, cool LLM model. Shiny!”
- jacquesm 1y agoThat would be very funny if it weren't disturbingly close to the truth.
- esperent 1y agoAnd when people do talk about politics it's exactly the kind of hot takes you'd expect from people who think they're very smart (and probably are when it comes to choosing a database) but are completely uninformed about the current topic and only capable of parroting referred opinions, or making statements they expect the group to agree with. Nobody comes out of the conversation smarter than they went in. Honestly, I think it's better that we do keep conversation here to shiny technology. If you want to talk politics, go and find a group of people who know what they're talking about. That way you might learn something.
- immibis 1y agoProblem: Everything is political. Pretending not to talk about politics, is mostly just supporting a certain kind of politics (the one that you get by default if you avoid talking about politics).
- mlrtime 1y agoDisagree, not everything is political unless you make it so. Otherwise we should fork this to political discussions only.
- Esophagus4 1y agoI don’t think it’s that I’m avoiding politics… It’s that I know the day-to-day headlines from DC are mostly noise, and do not inform in the same way that ESPN talking head analysts do not inform about football. To understand the state of American politics and of the world, I have news sources I trust. Hacker News will never be one of them. Neither will Reddit. Nor will Facebook. I don’t want HN to turn into another outrage-bait pseudo-news commentary site. Look at the front page of Reddit (it’s atrociously bad) to see how far this forum could fall. I flagged this article. If you want to talk about daily political news with other internet people, there are myriad options: WSJ, NYT, and Washington Post all have comment sections. Reddit and Facebook and Twitter and BlueSky and Instagram and Threads all have comment sections. YouTube has comments. Blogs have comments. Why do people insist that keeping HN free of politics is tantamount to being blissfully ignorant of world affairs? And why do people insist on turning HN into Reddit v2?
- ruszki 1y agoMost people do the same thing with shiny technology topics too. But you’re right. It seems to be a better place than the alternatives, but heck, I learn rarely from comments compared how often I did 10 years ago on a - back then - small subreddit. Most comments can be inferred just from headlines, not even from the articles.
- smugglerFlynn 1y agoWhen it comes to tech topics this is an insiders discussion. When it comes to political topics, 99% of people in HN threads have close to zero insights, and circle around publicly known information. Big difference. It is very dangerous to expect deep insights on every aspect of human life from a HN thread, regardless of how well educated and well meaning average HN commenters are.
- DiogenesKynikos 1y agoThe people who say that mostly support Trump, but are just embarrassed to say so in public.
- mlrtime 1y agoI voted for Trump. I don't support everything he does as he's not my sports team, but I agree with a lot of what he's doing. I've started this line of discussion on reddit many times being open and honest. Nobody wants to engage in honest discussion.
- DiogenesKynikos 1y agoDo you agree with things like the following? 1. Blatantly violating the 14th Amendment by signing an executive order that ends birthright citizenship, potentially stripping tens of millions of Americans of their citizenship. 2. Sending the military onto the streets of major cities, in a fundamental break from the centuries-old principle that the military does not police American citizens. 3. Tolerating open corruption by senior officials, such as the border czar Tom Homan accepting a $50,000 bribe. 4. Openly calling for the Justice Department to go after his political enemies, and firing people who refuse to do so. 5. Appointing dangerous and unqualified people like RFK Jr. and Kash Patel to head agencies whose missions they oppose. RFK Jr. is out there making wild claims about autism and vaccines. 6. Trump trying to overturn the 2020 Presidential election results, including calling up the Georgia Secretary of State and demanding that he add 11,000 votes to Trump's total, in order to flip the state in Trump's favor, while threatening to criminally prosecute the Secretary of State if he refuses to change the election result. 7. Trump repeatedly threatening that he will annex Canada, and refusing to rule out the use of military force. I could go on and on, but I think the above is enough to make the point. This is not just another administration that you can have this or that view about. This is the downfall of the American political system. RIP, 1787 - 2025. With all of this, you should be sheepish about saying you support Trump.
- lunias 1y agoIt's all about trade-offs. Sadly the package deals keep getting worse and even if you refuse to buy, one shows up at your doorstep and they charge you anyways. The parties exist more to oppose each other than to identify and address issues. They serve their donors more than their electorate and sew discontent amongst the populace to distract from the role of capital in the current system. I think it's unrealistic to say you "support everything Trump does" just as it is to say you "do not support anything Trump does". The trend of extreme polarization has allowed them to continually worsen the package deals offered because they know that for a lot of people, it's all or nothing.
- Esophagus4 1y agoFor the record, I’m also dog tired of hearing about LLMs as well…
- ben_w 1y agoIn fairness, the LLMs are also inflammatory.
- cosmicgadget 1y agoTo my GPU.
- numpad0 1y agoBut LLMs are great piece of technology and closest analogue to the AGI in past 30 years! It's truly a gamechanging future technology. ... And, incidentally, knowing that my value judgements are as broken and human tangential as Borg transwarp control computers, I know that it's a massive bubble that is going to financially ruin absolutely everybody.
- egorfine 1y ago> people will have enough Likely at least a third of Americans do actively support the current administration and their decisions, so "having enough" is out of the question.
- ohdeardear 1y agoPeople keep saying this, but have you actually asked 100 people yourself and found at least 33 agreeing? I don't get why California doesn't just join the European Union and exit the US; it's not like the red neck states like California.
- tokioyoyo 1y agoThe election was less than a year ago. As an outsider, my genuine belief is this is what an average American wants. And honestly, it is what it is. I mentioned this before as well, but this all can be viewed as a side effect of the general population not feeling improvements in their lives and not having optimism. Hard issue to solve, if I’ll be honest.
- michaelt 1y agoThey had an election, and in California there was 1 vote for Trump for 1.52 votes for Harris [1] so even within one of the bluest of blue states, 40% of voters support the current administration. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...
- shawn_w 1y agoCalifornia, like a lot of other "blue" states, turns deeply red once you get away from the cities and into more rural areas. It's just the cities have so many more people that they dominate statewide elections.
- mlrtime 1y agoWhat's wrong with that? Do you think the popular vote should pick the president and half the country is ruled by people that prioritize living in a city and all that entails.
- ap99 1y ago49.8% of the population voted for Trump, myself among them. First time voting Republican. Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. And almost everything Democrats have said and done has reaffirmed my choice. Every one I've spoken to that has been surprised Trump was elected lives in a bubble. Hacker News is one such bubble. You're not going to get any reliable "when are the masses going to revolt" info here.
- intermerda 1y ago> Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. Did you always have fascist tendencies or did Trump bring them out?
- adamors 1y agoAbout 77 million people voted for Trump in 2024, that is 22% of the US population. He is actually far more unpopular than people think.
- ap99 1y agoThis is how you lie with statistics. What percent of the US population is eligible to vote, what percent actually voted, and which percent did Kamala receive?
- Amezarak 1y agoThat would be approximately the same percentage of the population that voted for Obama in 2008. (69 million votes, 304 million people, 22%.) I don't think this is a crazy argument to make, but only if you make clear by this standard almost no President has ever been "popular", and almost no PM in other countries.
- rl1987 1y agoPeople being grabbed off the streets and transported to prison in unrelated country is what you voted for?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
- intermerda 1y ago> How does the HN crew based in the US think about the current administration? HN and the broader tech community have had their mask off moments.
- aoshifo 1y agoI do think the HN and tech community is a more diverse group, than just the ultra libertarians, opportunists, and outright fascists. Maybe that's just my naive hope. In any case I would also like to know how US based techies think about this administration and the direction the country is heading in.
- mrbombastic 1y agoif you look at any recent article here on the current US trajectory there is a pretty large contingent of people who are very much not happy with the way things are going. Of course the articles then get flagged and removed from the front page but from my reading more and more people are speaking up over here. And as US techie I certainly don’t support this BS.
- mlrtime 1y ago>people who are very much not happy with the way things are going. Of course the articles then get flagged and removed from the front page ... Can you explain, we're in one now on the front page. In fact, I see the opposite, anything positive of the current administration is drowned out by comments about all the other things not going well.
- mrbombastic 1y agoI could have been clearer but that is what i mean, there is a large contingent with very negative feelings for the actions of the current admin.
- mlrtime 1y ago
- mlrtime 1y ago> affected by the current trajectory of the policies Curious how you're are directly affected? And as a non us-citizen, why does it matter?
- fabian2k 1y agoTrump is affecting the economy of other countries. The tariffs and the massive uncertainty is causing layoffs and makes companies more hesitant to invest. The destruction of US scientific institutions has effects on other countries as well, science is very interconnected. It also affects all companies that supply scientific equipment and supply. The foreign policy has effects on other countries, the US is still the most powerful nation at the moment. And let's assume that there is a chance his threats to invade Greenland or Canada are actually acted upon, that would change world politics in a fundamental way.
- BLKNSLVR 1y agoNot who you're asking, but the extreme changes in US foreign policy (well, maybe not necessarily policy because I doubt there's much paperwork going on to make the rapidly swinging changes official) are affecting, basically, the stability of global security and making US allies very nervous. Whilst this is at an international political level, it has effects on individuals world views and therefore psychologies, which can be experienced viscerally. As an obvious example, I'm sure Ukrainians have gone through some personal ups and downs as a result of the current administrations interpretation of diplomacy.
- frankzinger 1y agoEvery country in the world is severely affected by Trump's reversal of climate change policy.