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First sign of a profession having a backbone in months. Although the silent treatment the generals dished out at recent meeting wasn’t bad either

by Havoc 1y ago

newsclues 1y ago
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- apples_oranges 1y ago
  But that's a separate issue, different circumstances and, mostly, different people. Similar to how they (in part) reported during epidemic. But now they did something good and it's somehow nullified by the other things? Also: You are promoting that we keep a grudge. Are you planning to let go of it sometime?
  - n4r9 1y ago
    Also, in some cases the press did apologise, e.g. https://archive.ph/F3Ra1 https://archive.ph/F3Ra1 . Fox news were notoriously the worst propagandisers in this case; I searched but could not find any apology from them.
  - justacrow 1y ago
    > Also: You are promoting that we keep a grudge. Are you planning to let go of it sometime? Sure! Once the people responsible for the wars have been punished. Any day now...
  - newsclues 1y ago
    Your right it’s different, but the problem is that I want a fair and consistent standard. Shouldn’t telling the truth and apologize when you “accidentally” misinform the public be the standard? They collectively have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and now they can’t be trusted anymore but some people continue to pretend they are authoritative sources of truth despite the facts that they help lie America into a war that kill many and caused massive financial damage to the economy. I’m saying that people and corporations should be held accountable and responsible for their actions?
  - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 1y ago
    > Also: You are promoting that we keep a grudge. Are you planning to let go of it sometime? I have to ask -- why? Your population is hundreds of millions, you can afford to let go of bad people and replace them with better people. You don't need to let go of a grudge against war criminals and their media collaborators. They're not your family, or people that you simply have to learn how to deal with because you can't lose them. I'm assuming here that it is a goal to get rid of such people eventually. Then that requires making steps towards that goal. Be unforgiving towards people who wield power unethically.
  - account42 1y ago
    It puts in question whether they are acting out of good conscience now rather than just because they see it as advantageous for themselves.
coldtea 1y ago
>First sign of a profession having a backbone in months They've been towing the Pentagon/S.D. line, getting privileged official "leaks", going to wars as "embedded" shills, for decades. Now they suddenly grew a "backbone"? They just see the signs of lack of long term legitimacy for this particular government and play pretend at safe courage.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  Consider the power of this statement then: if they were ok with all of those things and now they draw a line that means that things have gotten much, much worse than they were before.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    Or that they draw the line when it's about little hummiliations done to themselves, and not to lying and misreporting
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      You see what you want to see.
  - roenxi 1y ago
    Well... maybe. If a company brings in new anti-sexual-assault training and a bunch of people quit around the same time that doesn't necessarily suggest the problem is the outrageous training. I'd quite like to actually see what the rules are, but this is just a complex one. On the one hand, obviously the US military would probably have an easier time securing classified info if unreliable people aren't wandering through the building. On the other hand, the US people do benefit from random people wandering the building and would get more out of looser requirements on who can get in. Making it easy to keep information classified has always been a strategic error that has probably done a lot of damage to the US.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
This might be what we need. SecDef is, at best, an idiot. At worst, he’s compromised. Giving him less earned media may be a win.
- mamonster 1y ago
  >SecDef is, at best, an idiot. At worst, he’s compromised He acts like every other person (myself included) that i know that had a serious alcohol problem and is now somewhat relapsed but still looks funny at his favorite drink. With a guy like this you literally never know what the clear liquid in the glass bottle is.
  - projectazorian 1y ago
    > had a serious alcohol problem and is now somewhat relapsed I assume you meant lapsed - Freudian slip, maybe? ;)
huem0n 1y ago
The silent treatment is part of a long standard official directive. https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/975910/dod-civilians-service-members-must-remain-non-partisan-apolitical/ https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/975910/dod... Its good it stayed but just be aware it wasn't the same as a room of normal people being silent.
ReptileMan 1y ago
>First sign of a profession having a backbone in months. Probably 25 years. Let's not forget that they haven't shown spine after 9/11
walkabout 1y ago
The silent treatment was basically required by law, when it became clear the event was really a political rally using them as props. They just didn’t break the law (unlike what other, hand-picked service members used as props at Trump rallies have done in the past)

First sign of a profession having a backbone in months. Although the silent treatment the generals dished out at recent meeting wasn’t bad either

by Havoc 1y ago

First sign of a profession having a backbone in months. Although the silent treatment the generals dished out at recent meeting wasn’t bad either

newsclues 1y ago

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apples_oranges 1y ago
But that's a separate issue, different circumstances and, mostly, different people. Similar to how they (in part) reported during epidemic. But now they did something good and it's somehow nullified by the other things? Also: You are promoting that we keep a grudge. Are you planning to let go of it sometime?
- n4r9 1y ago
  Also, in some cases the press did apologise, e.g. https://archive.ph/F3Ra1 https://archive.ph/F3Ra1 . Fox news were notoriously the worst propagandisers in this case; I searched but could not find any apology from them.
- justacrow 1y ago
  > Also: You are promoting that we keep a grudge. Are you planning to let go of it sometime? Sure! Once the people responsible for the wars have been punished. Any day now...
- newsclues 1y ago
  Your right it’s different, but the problem is that I want a fair and consistent standard. Shouldn’t telling the truth and apologize when you “accidentally” misinform the public be the standard? They collectively have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and now they can’t be trusted anymore but some people continue to pretend they are authoritative sources of truth despite the facts that they help lie America into a war that kill many and caused massive financial damage to the economy. I’m saying that people and corporations should be held accountable and responsible for their actions?
- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 1y ago
  > Also: You are promoting that we keep a grudge. Are you planning to let go of it sometime? I have to ask -- why? Your population is hundreds of millions, you can afford to let go of bad people and replace them with better people. You don't need to let go of a grudge against war criminals and their media collaborators. They're not your family, or people that you simply have to learn how to deal with because you can't lose them. I'm assuming here that it is a goal to get rid of such people eventually. Then that requires making steps towards that goal. Be unforgiving towards people who wield power unethically.
- account42 1y ago
  It puts in question whether they are acting out of good conscience now rather than just because they see it as advantageous for themselves.

coldtea 1y ago

>First sign of a profession having a backbone in months They've been towing the Pentagon/S.D. line, getting privileged official "leaks", going to wars as "embedded" shills, for decades. Now they suddenly grew a "backbone"? They just see the signs of lack of long term legitimacy for this particular government and play pretend at safe courage.

jacquesm 1y ago
Consider the power of this statement then: if they were ok with all of those things and now they draw a line that means that things have gotten much, much worse than they were before.
- coldtea 1y ago
  Or that they draw the line when it's about little hummiliations done to themselves, and not to lying and misreporting
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    You see what you want to see.
- roenxi 1y ago
  Well... maybe. If a company brings in new anti-sexual-assault training and a bunch of people quit around the same time that doesn't necessarily suggest the problem is the outrageous training. I'd quite like to actually see what the rules are, but this is just a complex one. On the one hand, obviously the US military would probably have an easier time securing classified info if unreliable people aren't wandering through the building. On the other hand, the US people do benefit from random people wandering the building and would get more out of looser requirements on who can get in. Making it easy to keep information classified has always been a strategic error that has probably done a lot of damage to the US.
  - jacquesm 1y ago

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

This might be what we need. SecDef is, at best, an idiot. At worst, he’s compromised. Giving him less earned media may be a win.

mamonster 1y ago
>SecDef is, at best, an idiot. At worst, he’s compromised He acts like every other person (myself included) that i know that had a serious alcohol problem and is now somewhat relapsed but still looks funny at his favorite drink. With a guy like this you literally never know what the clear liquid in the glass bottle is.
- projectazorian 1y ago
  > had a serious alcohol problem and is now somewhat relapsed I assume you meant lapsed - Freudian slip, maybe? ;)

huem0n 1y ago

The silent treatment is part of a long standard official directive. https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/975910/dod-civilians-service-members-must-remain-non-partisan-apolitical/ https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/975910/dod... Its good it stayed but just be aware it wasn't the same as a room of normal people being silent.

ReptileMan 1y ago

>First sign of a profession having a backbone in months. Probably 25 years. Let's not forget that they haven't shown spine after 9/11

walkabout 1y ago

The silent treatment was basically required by law, when it became clear the event was really a political rally using them as props. They just didn’t break the law (unlike what other, hand-picked service members used as props at Trump rallies have done in the past)