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Answering to the people doesn't mean that every secret must be made immediately public.

ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
This is about not wanting the journalists to even ask for information from e.g. generals. No-one is saying that they want immediate disclosure of all secrets - I'm concerned that you're building a strawman.
- charcircuit 1y ago
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  - ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
    I completely disagree. Their job is to uncover truths that may not be immediately obvious and they may not even know the classification status of sensitive information before asking about it. The military should instead say something like "that information is classified". Why would the public want journalists to not even be able to ask the questions, never mind actually get the information?
    - exe34 1y ago
      > Why would the public want journalists to not even be able to ask the questions, never mind actually get the information? because "the public" in this case are cult members that agree with whatever the eternal leader wants.
  - wtfwhateven 1y ago
    >Journalists asking for classified and sensitive information are acting in bad faifth. How? >They know that these people are not allowed to give away the information, Not true, nor is everything is classified. It appears you've not actually read the article, or what the new restrictions even asked for. You're acting as if journalists were allowed to go rummaging in office drawers and journalists dislike being told they can't do that anymore.
  - radley 1y ago
    Or they could be trying to uncover malicious acts hidden behind classification. You may be too young or too old to understand, but historically it goes both ways.
troupo 1y ago
You have classified information for that reason. It's not the same as requiring journalists you literally let into public press conferences to shut up and spread propaganda unquestioningly
baubino 1y ago
No one is suggesting that secrets be made public. The gov can and does classify info that must be kept secret.
radley 1y ago
But it does require answers. Answers are a response to questions, otherwise they're just statements.
kstenerud 1y ago
Who is allowed to decide which secrets should or should not be made public? If your answer is "the government", then every cover up will never be revealed, and the government will answer to no one. If your answer is "journalists", then you have the status-quo in any functioning democracy. And when it actually moves into sedition territory, that's what an independent court system is for. Unfortunately, once things devolve into a two-party system, it becomes ever increasingly difficult to keep the various branches independent.
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intended 1y ago
This is moving the goal posts from your original position. Spend the time to refocus - if your position was erroneous, it was erroneous. Correct it, figure out what that means, then proceed. Moving on to a new version is to waste your own intelligence in reactionary sentence creation.

This is about not wanting the journalists to even ask for information from e.g. generals. No-one is saying that they want immediate disclosure of all secrets - I'm concerned that you're building a strawman.

charcircuit 1y ago
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- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  I completely disagree. Their job is to uncover truths that may not be immediately obvious and they may not even know the classification status of sensitive information before asking about it. The military should instead say something like "that information is classified". Why would the public want journalists to not even be able to ask the questions, never mind actually get the information?
  - exe34 1y ago
    > Why would the public want journalists to not even be able to ask the questions, never mind actually get the information? because "the public" in this case are cult members that agree with whatever the eternal leader wants.
- wtfwhateven 1y ago
  >Journalists asking for classified and sensitive information are acting in bad faifth. How? >They know that these people are not allowed to give away the information, Not true, nor is everything is classified. It appears you've not actually read the article, or what the new restrictions even asked for. You're acting as if journalists were allowed to go rummaging in office drawers and journalists dislike being told they can't do that anymore.
- radley 1y ago
  Or they could be trying to uncover malicious acts hidden behind classification. You may be too young or too old to understand, but historically it goes both ways.

troupo 1y ago

You have classified information for that reason. It's not the same as requiring journalists you literally let into public press conferences to shut up and spread propaganda unquestioningly

baubino 1y ago

No one is suggesting that secrets be made public. The gov can and does classify info that must be kept secret.

radley 1y ago

But it does require answers. Answers are a response to questions, otherwise they're just statements.

kstenerud 1y ago

Who is allowed to decide which secrets should or should not be made public? If your answer is "the government", then every cover up will never be revealed, and the government will answer to no one. If your answer is "journalists", then you have the status-quo in any functioning democracy. And when it actually moves into sedition territory, that's what an independent court system is for. Unfortunately, once things devolve into a two-party system, it becomes ever increasingly difficult to keep the various branches independent.

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intended 1y ago

This is moving the goal posts from your original position. Spend the time to refocus - if your position was erroneous, it was erroneous. Correct it, figure out what that means, then proceed. Moving on to a new version is to waste your own intelligence in reactionary sentence creation.