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I'm sure I will regret this, something will change and I'll be "F.U. Win11!". But, I'm on Windows 11 Pro (upgraded from Windows 10 Pro) and I have barely notic

I'm sure I will regret this, something will change and I'll be "F.U. Win11!". But, I'm on Windows 11 Pro (upgraded from Windows 10 Pro) and I have barely noticed a difference. Maybe because it's Windows Pro, not Home? Maybe because I have 2 profiles. The one I used to install it which required a microsoft account, and a separate, local only account which is the one I use always. I can't remember the last time I had to use the other account. Maybe when I upgraded to Windows 11. I don't remember. I'm not trying to excuse Microsoft. I had to go into settings and turn off everything I could find. I had to futs around to get it to stop trying to get me to install Exchange every time I pressed Win-E (or was it Win-W) which I press often because I use the same keyboard on Mac and Win-W is Cmd-W (open new Window) (A: Powertoys). So yea, I cursed that. But, I found a solution. Other than that, so far, it stays mostly out of my way and just works. I'm hard pressed to notice too many differences. Is it because I'm on Pro? Is it because it's a local account? Is it just luck? I don't know. It only suggests that it's at least possible, so far, to use it.

BLKNSLVR 1y ago
It just sounds as if you haven't reached whatever your capacity is for "having to setup the OS to get out of your way". And that's a personal choice for everyone. Windows 10 eventually breached my capacity due to the number of defaults I had to change post installation, and then often, again, post-patch/update. This was very soon after Windows 10 was released, and I already didn't like Windows 8's hybrid monstrosity following on from the sublime Windows 7, which I consider to be peak Windows. I moved to Pop! OS and have been enjoying it on both desktop and laptop for over 5 years.
- danparsonson 1y ago
  Forced updates were the last straw for me - after several iterations of using my machine until late, then being forced to let it update itself for another 30-60 minutes when I just wanted to switch everything off and go to bed, and noting that Proton made almost every game playable on Linux (thanks Valve).... the switch was a no-brainer.
  - BLKNSLVR 1y ago
    My work laptop allows me a view into the dystopian Windows future, including updates as you've described as well as the occasional update and reboot in the middle of doing actual work - yes, I know it should not happen like that, but reality doesn't seem to care for _should_ or _should not_. Just a rare as it is inexplicable.
    - danparsonson 1y ago
      Meanwhile if a Linux distro wants to update, it politely asks you, and then goes away again when you say no ^^
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- chrneu 1y ago
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koyote 1y ago
Some things that any semi-power user will notice and get angry at: * Needing internet and a microsoft account to install the OS * Start menu now requiring two clicks to get to programs list * Right-click requiring two clicks to get to the options you most likely want to use (e.g. 7z unzip or opening in a specific program) * Task manager being slow and laggy * Random ads asking you to install a game pop up in the notification area * ... And then there's little bugs everywhere that just grind away at you on a daily basis: * A tab in explorer will sometimes randomly stop accepting clicks (keyboard select works). So I have to close the tab and re-open * The keyboard layout setting gets corrupted and there's no proper way to reset it (nevermind the fact tha this setting is now burried twenty levels deep in the new settings app) * The settings app search does not work * ... It is by far the worst Windows version (beating Vista and ME to that title) in my opinion. I use linux as my daily but am forced to use Windows at work and they have of course been forced to upgrade us to Windows 11...
- 3eb7988a1663 1y ago
  Right-click requiring two clicks to get to the options you most likely want to use (e.g. 7z unzip or opening in a specific program) This one you can still change. It is some hidden registry tweak, but there is the capacity to always "show more options".
  - thepill 1y ago
    Or hold [Shift] while right clicking
    - Orygin 1y ago
      Microsoft's own "you're holding it wrong moment": "You're right clicking wrong"
  - array_key_first 1y ago
    Changing the registry is far too much of a hurdle.
morshu9001 1y ago
Might have to wait and see. I recently installed Win10 on my spare PC that previously had Ubuntu. Thought it was remarkably clean, but then the nagging about backups etc started coming. The PC also had Win10 before Ubuntu, and I remember that being way worse because of the constant updates which always triggered more nags and resetting my default browser.
jokoon 1y ago
So I can use windows 11 without an account? I thought that was not possible
pjc50 1y ago
The "Microsoft account" requirement is a weird one, because when I got a Win 11 PC after the death of my Win 10 one, I tried to set it up with my Microsoft account .. and it told me that this was unsupported on this account, and then it just fell back to creating a local one anyway. Which was what I wanted. No idea how I got into that state, other than the account being very old.
cornichon622 1y ago
The difference for me is how much time do I need to spend to tweak the system, and how much frustration will I still experience after tweaking everything I could. I found a Linux distro which suits my needs and desires out of the box, that I can just install and immediately get started doing whatever I need to do. It makes using a computer much more enjoyable.

BLKNSLVR 1y ago

It just sounds as if you haven't reached whatever your capacity is for "having to setup the OS to get out of your way". And that's a personal choice for everyone. Windows 10 eventually breached my capacity due to the number of defaults I had to change post installation, and then often, again, post-patch/update. This was very soon after Windows 10 was released, and I already didn't like Windows 8's hybrid monstrosity following on from the sublime Windows 7, which I consider to be peak Windows. I moved to Pop! OS and have been enjoying it on both desktop and laptop for over 5 years.

danparsonson 1y ago
Forced updates were the last straw for me - after several iterations of using my machine until late, then being forced to let it update itself for another 30-60 minutes when I just wanted to switch everything off and go to bed, and noting that Proton made almost every game playable on Linux (thanks Valve).... the switch was a no-brainer.
- BLKNSLVR 1y ago
  My work laptop allows me a view into the dystopian Windows future, including updates as you've described as well as the occasional update and reboot in the middle of doing actual work - yes, I know it should not happen like that, but reality doesn't seem to care for _should_ or _should not_. Just a rare as it is inexplicable.
  - danparsonson 1y ago
    Meanwhile if a Linux distro wants to update, it politely asks you, and then goes away again when you say no ^^
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chrneu 1y ago
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koyote 1y ago

Some things that any semi-power user will notice and get angry at: * Needing internet and a microsoft account to install the OS * Start menu now requiring two clicks to get to programs list * Right-click requiring two clicks to get to the options you most likely want to use (e.g. 7z unzip or opening in a specific program) * Task manager being slow and laggy * Random ads asking you to install a game pop up in the notification area * ... And then there's little bugs everywhere that just grind away at you on a daily basis: * A tab in explorer will sometimes randomly stop accepting clicks (keyboard select works). So I have to close the tab and re-open * The keyboard layout setting gets corrupted and there's no proper way to reset it (nevermind the fact tha this setting is now burried twenty levels deep in the new settings app) * The settings app search does not work * ... It is by far the worst Windows version (beating Vista and ME to that title) in my opinion. I use linux as my daily but am forced to use Windows at work and they have of course been forced to upgrade us to Windows 11...

3eb7988a1663 1y ago
Right-click requiring two clicks to get to the options you most likely want to use (e.g. 7z unzip or opening in a specific program) This one you can still change. It is some hidden registry tweak, but there is the capacity to always "show more options".
- thepill 1y ago
  Or hold [Shift] while right clicking
  - Orygin 1y ago
    Microsoft's own "you're holding it wrong moment": "You're right clicking wrong"
- array_key_first 1y ago
  Changing the registry is far too much of a hurdle.

morshu9001 1y ago

Might have to wait and see. I recently installed Win10 on my spare PC that previously had Ubuntu. Thought it was remarkably clean, but then the nagging about backups etc started coming. The PC also had Win10 before Ubuntu, and I remember that being way worse because of the constant updates which always triggered more nags and resetting my default browser.

jokoon 1y ago

So I can use windows 11 without an account? I thought that was not possible

pjc50 1y ago

The "Microsoft account" requirement is a weird one, because when I got a Win 11 PC after the death of my Win 10 one, I tried to set it up with my Microsoft account .. and it told me that this was unsupported on this account, and then it just fell back to creating a local one anyway. Which was what I wanted. No idea how I got into that state, other than the account being very old.

cornichon622 1y ago

The difference for me is how much time do I need to spend to tweak the system, and how much frustration will I still experience after tweaking everything I could. I found a Linux distro which suits my needs and desires out of the box, that I can just install and immediately get started doing whatever I need to do. It makes using a computer much more enjoyable.