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> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a lap

> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.

DrProtic 1y ago
Battery power on M1 16” was so good when new that even severely degraded is still pretty good.
- leakycap 1y ago
  I felt the same way about the battery in my 2018 MacBook ... it was losing capacity, but I didn't mind as it still ran for hours between charged. Then it started having issues waking up from sleep. Only the OG Apple charger could wake it up, then it would see it actually had 40-60% battery but something had gone wrong while sleeping and it thought it was empty. Intel MacBooks had terrible SMC issues, so maybe this won't afflict the M-series. Just sharing because I could still use that MacBook a few hours between charged, it just couldn't be trusted to wake up without a charger. That's really inconvenient and got me to upgrade combined with new features.
- YZF 1y ago
  I switched from an M1 to a new M4 (this is my work laptop and it had a problem) and the old M1 has a much better battery life than the new M4. Quite noticeable. The M1 was such an awesome machine. The M4 is faster, but the M1 was plenty fast.
nektro 1y ago
um no; that's a reason to upgrade the battery, not get a new laptop
- leakycap 1y ago
  How much would you charge me to swap out my MacBook Pro 2018 15.4" battery using authorized methods to not cause other damage? I want my laptop back within a few days, a 90 day warranty on parts and labor, and I want a genuine Apple battery - not some unknown 3rd party.
  - nicoburns 1y ago
    For battery replacement you really want to take this to a local electronics repair shop (read the reviews so you find a good one). They'll do it same day or next day. It'll probably be around $200-$300 if you want an official battery. More like half that if you're willing to accept a 3rd party one.
    - leakycap 1y ago
      Apple doesn't sell the official battery as a standalone part even to Authorized Apple repair shops, so anyone telling you they're installing an official battery is already lying to you or putting in something used. Even if a local shop somehow sourced a legit, new Apple battery, why wouldn't I go to the Apple Store if it's the same cost and would only be the battery? (For $299, Apple replaces the speakers, touchpad, batteries, top case, and keyboard and provides a parts and labor warranty for 90 days)
      - nektro 1y ago
        but that's the problem, no? apple should offer to replace just the battery because getting you a whole new laptop creates a crap ton of e-waste.
  - yencabulator 1y ago
    I swapped my Framework 13 battery in about 20 minutes the other day. Most of that time was me cleaning dust from inside the chassis. Enjoy!
Noaidi 1y ago
I still have 94% of my battery health left on my 2020 M1, and I have all the speed I need as a casual, avergae user.
- leakycap 1y ago
  I saw it first on using a device 2 years older than your M1, so you might be in a similar boat soon - but I hope not. The lower power and heat of M-devices might result in meaningfully longer battery life, and I'm curious to find out.
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    frankly nothing holds a candle to the battery performance of the M series machines so it’s likely a safe bet to assume that advantage will also translate into longer overall life/battery health until we see otherwise. We’ll see in a few years I suppose.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Crazy good. I only have 87% on mine and I think I got it in 2022 (M1 though)... I wonder if it's because I leave it plugged in so much.
  - epolanski 1y ago
    I've got 90% on a 2020 bought one. I only plug it to charge it, rarely use it plugged. But I'd say that how much it's used is also an important factor.
  - Noaidi 1y ago
    I don’t think it’s the fact that it’s plugged in so much. I used mine plugged in pretty much all the time. It only charges to 80% but every once in a while, I drain it down to zero. I do live in a cooler climate as well and I probably don’t use my computer as much as most people.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    al dente supposedly preserves battery health
kalleboo 1y ago
I spilled a sugary coffee drink in my keyboard, and having it replaced under AppleCare+ meant they also replaced half the rest of the machine (battery, display etc). I think I'm set for another 5 years.
nevster 1y ago
My 2021 16" M1 Max is at 85% battery - which is still totally fine for me.

DrProtic 1y ago

Battery power on M1 16” was so good when new that even severely degraded is still pretty good.

leakycap 1y ago
I felt the same way about the battery in my 2018 MacBook ... it was losing capacity, but I didn't mind as it still ran for hours between charged. Then it started having issues waking up from sleep. Only the OG Apple charger could wake it up, then it would see it actually had 40-60% battery but something had gone wrong while sleeping and it thought it was empty. Intel MacBooks had terrible SMC issues, so maybe this won't afflict the M-series. Just sharing because I could still use that MacBook a few hours between charged, it just couldn't be trusted to wake up without a charger. That's really inconvenient and got me to upgrade combined with new features.
YZF 1y ago
I switched from an M1 to a new M4 (this is my work laptop and it had a problem) and the old M1 has a much better battery life than the new M4. Quite noticeable. The M1 was such an awesome machine. The M4 is faster, but the M1 was plenty fast.

nektro 1y ago

um no; that's a reason to upgrade the battery, not get a new laptop

leakycap 1y ago
How much would you charge me to swap out my MacBook Pro 2018 15.4" battery using authorized methods to not cause other damage? I want my laptop back within a few days, a 90 day warranty on parts and labor, and I want a genuine Apple battery - not some unknown 3rd party.
- nicoburns 1y ago
  For battery replacement you really want to take this to a local electronics repair shop (read the reviews so you find a good one). They'll do it same day or next day. It'll probably be around $200-$300 if you want an official battery. More like half that if you're willing to accept a 3rd party one.
  - leakycap 1y ago
    Apple doesn't sell the official battery as a standalone part even to Authorized Apple repair shops, so anyone telling you they're installing an official battery is already lying to you or putting in something used. Even if a local shop somehow sourced a legit, new Apple battery, why wouldn't I go to the Apple Store if it's the same cost and would only be the battery? (For $299, Apple replaces the speakers, touchpad, batteries, top case, and keyboard and provides a parts and labor warranty for 90 days)
    - nektro 1y ago
      but that's the problem, no? apple should offer to replace just the battery because getting you a whole new laptop creates a crap ton of e-waste.
- yencabulator 1y ago
  I swapped my Framework 13 battery in about 20 minutes the other day. Most of that time was me cleaning dust from inside the chassis. Enjoy!

Noaidi 1y ago

I still have 94% of my battery health left on my 2020 M1, and I have all the speed I need as a casual, avergae user.

leakycap 1y ago
I saw it first on using a device 2 years older than your M1, so you might be in a similar boat soon - but I hope not. The lower power and heat of M-devices might result in meaningfully longer battery life, and I'm curious to find out.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  frankly nothing holds a candle to the battery performance of the M series machines so it’s likely a safe bet to assume that advantage will also translate into longer overall life/battery health until we see otherwise. We’ll see in a few years I suppose.
ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
Crazy good. I only have 87% on mine and I think I got it in 2022 (M1 though)... I wonder if it's because I leave it plugged in so much.
- epolanski 1y ago
  I've got 90% on a 2020 bought one. I only plug it to charge it, rarely use it plugged. But I'd say that how much it's used is also an important factor.
- Noaidi 1y ago
  I don’t think it’s the fact that it’s plugged in so much. I used mine plugged in pretty much all the time. It only charges to 80% but every once in a while, I drain it down to zero. I do live in a cooler climate as well and I probably don’t use my computer as much as most people.
- fragmede 1y ago
  al dente supposedly preserves battery health

kalleboo 1y ago

I spilled a sugary coffee drink in my keyboard, and having it replaced under AppleCare+ meant they also replaced half the rest of the machine (battery, display etc). I think I'm set for another 5 years.

nevster 1y ago

My 2021 16" M1 Max is at 85% battery - which is still totally fine for me.