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Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel

Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.

tracker1 1y ago
I got that as well.. more annoying are comparisons with the last Intel options, which sucked then. I'm still doing fine with a 16gb M1 Air, I mostly VPN+SSH to my home desktop when I need more oomph anyway. It lasts a full day, all week when you just check email on vacation once a day.
michelb 1y ago
One of the problems is that I don’t notice a meaningful difference(that’s worth the money) between my M1 and my M4 workloads. (Dev/video). Obviously the rendering is faster but the OS isn’t. Tahoe makes my M2 feel like an intel mac. Chip, memory and storage are really fast, but I’m fully convinced that the OS is crippling these machines.
- snovymgodym 1y ago
  It's unfortunate that MacOS continues to get worse as the hardware gets better.
  - WOTERMEON 1y ago
    Is asahi usable now?
leakycap 1y ago
> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.
- DrProtic 1y ago
  Battery power on M1 16” was so good when new that even severely degraded is still pretty good.
  - leakycap 1y ago
    I felt the same way about the battery in my 2018 MacBook ... it was losing capacity, but I didn't mind as it still ran for hours between charged. Then it started having issues waking up from sleep. Only the OG Apple charger could wake it up, then it would see it actually had 40-60% battery but something had gone wrong while sleeping and it thought it was empty. Intel MacBooks had terrible SMC issues, so maybe this won't afflict the M-series. Just sharing because I could still use that MacBook a few hours between charged, it just couldn't be trusted to wake up without a charger. That's really inconvenient and got me to upgrade combined with new features.
  - YZF 1y ago
    I switched from an M1 to a new M4 (this is my work laptop and it had a problem) and the old M1 has a much better battery life than the new M4. Quite noticeable. The M1 was such an awesome machine. The M4 is faster, but the M1 was plenty fast.
- nektro 1y ago
  um no; that's a reason to upgrade the battery, not get a new laptop
  - leakycap 1y ago
    How much would you charge me to swap out my MacBook Pro 2018 15.4" battery using authorized methods to not cause other damage? I want my laptop back within a few days, a 90 day warranty on parts and labor, and I want a genuine Apple battery - not some unknown 3rd party.
    - nicoburns 1y ago
      For battery replacement you really want to take this to a local electronics repair shop (read the reviews so you find a good one). They'll do it same day or next day. It'll probably be around $200-$300 if you want an official battery. More like half that if you're willing to accept a 3rd party one.
Noaidi 1y ago
Yeah, I am using a 2020 Macbook Air M1 with macOS 15.7.1 (which I am about to install Ashasi Linux) and I have no issues as a casual user. For most people who use macbooks I see no reason to but an M5 or M4 over an M1.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  How’s that running on M machines these days?
  - drcode 1y ago
    asahi runs great on m1, m2- but not on the newer chips.
cryptoegorophy 1y ago
I have a 2020 Macbook, intel... 2.3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 is it worth upgrading?
- snovymgodym 1y ago
  Yes... to any Apple Silicon machine.
- celsoazevedo 1y ago
  In terms of performance, thermals, and battery life, it was a huge upgrade for me when I moved from Intel to the M1 Max. M1 Max to the M4 Max... improvements were mainly on very heavy tasks, like video transcoding with Handbrake or LLMs with Ollama.
- KaiserPro 1y ago
  Very much so. No fan noise, no warmth, unless you are really really pushing it. in terms of speed, it makes it feel like the original retina did when they first came out. oh and a pretty fast disk as well.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    >makes it feel like the original retina Exactly right. M1 MacBook Pro delighted me in a way that Macs haven't done since my 2013 Retina MBP
- mlrtime 1y ago
  It is night and day between the last intel macbook and the m1. I held out for a long time because of poor python support, but that was not a good move. The m1 is much better.
artdigital 1y ago
When I handed in my M1 Max MBP for repair, I bought a M3? Or M4 MBA to return when I get my MBP back, or to keep if I really notice a difference. Used it for a week and came to the same conclusion, I felt absolutely no difference in day to day usage except that the MBA is nice and slim. And better battery.
petesergeant 1y ago
Yeah, I believe all their claims about speed, but I just don’t do anything that my M2 doesn’t seem to find effortless…
epolanski 1y ago
Eh, I have an m1 pro and it's definitely showing its age.. My colleagues on m3/m4 have a night and day difference in programming performance. CPU, memory bandwidth, latencies, working on javascript projects that involve countless IOs on small files...It really shows. I can't wait for the upgrade.
ksec 1y ago
The M1 MacBook Pro has GB6 ST of 2350, and MT of 8400 The M5 is expected to be ~4150 and MT of ~15500 And nearly 3x speed for SSD. And yet there is nothing about the new MacBook Pro ( on M4 at least ) that feels faster. I would much rather pay for macOS upgrade that increase performance rather than useless features after features.

Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.

tracker1 1y ago

I got that as well.. more annoying are comparisons with the last Intel options, which sucked then. I'm still doing fine with a 16gb M1 Air, I mostly VPN+SSH to my home desktop when I need more oomph anyway. It lasts a full day, all week when you just check email on vacation once a day.

michelb 1y ago

One of the problems is that I don’t notice a meaningful difference(that’s worth the money) between my M1 and my M4 workloads. (Dev/video). Obviously the rendering is faster but the OS isn’t. Tahoe makes my M2 feel like an intel mac. Chip, memory and storage are really fast, but I’m fully convinced that the OS is crippling these machines.

snovymgodym 1y ago
It's unfortunate that MacOS continues to get worse as the hardware gets better.
- WOTERMEON 1y ago
  Is asahi usable now?

leakycap 1y ago

> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.

DrProtic 1y ago
Battery power on M1 16” was so good when new that even severely degraded is still pretty good.
- leakycap 1y ago
  I felt the same way about the battery in my 2018 MacBook ... it was losing capacity, but I didn't mind as it still ran for hours between charged. Then it started having issues waking up from sleep. Only the OG Apple charger could wake it up, then it would see it actually had 40-60% battery but something had gone wrong while sleeping and it thought it was empty. Intel MacBooks had terrible SMC issues, so maybe this won't afflict the M-series. Just sharing because I could still use that MacBook a few hours between charged, it just couldn't be trusted to wake up without a charger. That's really inconvenient and got me to upgrade combined with new features.
- YZF 1y ago
  I switched from an M1 to a new M4 (this is my work laptop and it had a problem) and the old M1 has a much better battery life than the new M4. Quite noticeable. The M1 was such an awesome machine. The M4 is faster, but the M1 was plenty fast.
nektro 1y ago
um no; that's a reason to upgrade the battery, not get a new laptop
- leakycap 1y ago
  How much would you charge me to swap out my MacBook Pro 2018 15.4" battery using authorized methods to not cause other damage? I want my laptop back within a few days, a 90 day warranty on parts and labor, and I want a genuine Apple battery - not some unknown 3rd party.
  - nicoburns 1y ago
    For battery replacement you really want to take this to a local electronics repair shop (read the reviews so you find a good one). They'll do it same day or next day. It'll probably be around $200-$300 if you want an official battery. More like half that if you're willing to accept a 3rd party one.

Noaidi 1y ago

Yeah, I am using a 2020 Macbook Air M1 with macOS 15.7.1 (which I am about to install Ashasi Linux) and I have no issues as a casual user. For most people who use macbooks I see no reason to but an M5 or M4 over an M1.

Forgeties79 1y ago
How’s that running on M machines these days?
- drcode 1y ago
  asahi runs great on m1, m2- but not on the newer chips.

cryptoegorophy 1y ago

I have a 2020 Macbook, intel... 2.3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 is it worth upgrading?

snovymgodym 1y ago
Yes... to any Apple Silicon machine.
celsoazevedo 1y ago
In terms of performance, thermals, and battery life, it was a huge upgrade for me when I moved from Intel to the M1 Max. M1 Max to the M4 Max... improvements were mainly on very heavy tasks, like video transcoding with Handbrake or LLMs with Ollama.
KaiserPro 1y ago
Very much so. No fan noise, no warmth, unless you are really really pushing it. in terms of speed, it makes it feel like the original retina did when they first came out. oh and a pretty fast disk as well.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  >makes it feel like the original retina Exactly right. M1 MacBook Pro delighted me in a way that Macs haven't done since my 2013 Retina MBP
mlrtime 1y ago
It is night and day between the last intel macbook and the m1. I held out for a long time because of poor python support, but that was not a good move. The m1 is much better.

artdigital 1y ago

When I handed in my M1 Max MBP for repair, I bought a M3? Or M4 MBA to return when I get my MBP back, or to keep if I really notice a difference. Used it for a week and came to the same conclusion, I felt absolutely no difference in day to day usage except that the MBA is nice and slim. And better battery.

petesergeant 1y ago

Yeah, I believe all their claims about speed, but I just don’t do anything that my M2 doesn’t seem to find effortless…

epolanski 1y ago

Eh, I have an m1 pro and it's definitely showing its age.. My colleagues on m3/m4 have a night and day difference in programming performance. CPU, memory bandwidth, latencies, working on javascript projects that involve countless IOs on small files...It really shows. I can't wait for the upgrade.

ksec 1y ago

The M1 MacBook Pro has GB6 ST of 2350, and MT of 8400 The M5 is expected to be ~4150 and MT of ~15500 And nearly 3x speed for SSD. And yet there is nothing about the new MacBook Pro ( on M4 at least ) that feels faster. I would much rather pay for macOS upgrade that increase performance rather than useless features after features.