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It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!
by noveltyaccount 1y ago
It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!
- mr_toad 1y agoMac apps will expect a full set of Mac hardware (not just the CPU), so you’d probably need to run a full virtual Mac for compatibility. Not impossible, but I expect it’s not a priority either.
- pipodeclown 1y agoLike what? A macbook is just a screen, connected keyboard and trackpad. This thing has the equivalent of all of that.
- postexitus 1y agoWhat is that full set of Mac hardware that we are not aware of?
- philistine 1y agoThere's no such thing. Apple sells the Mac Mini, which is nothing but a box and it runs everything fine.
- q3k 1y agoWhat? No, that's not how any of this works.
- walkabout 1y agoI can’t figure out what this means. For an iOS device, sure, but a Mac? What hardware does a Mac Mini, say, have that the Vision can’t provide?
- array_key_first 1y agoIt's an SOC. It's in the name.
- cubefox 1y agoSpeaking of which, Apple could probably support Mac apps on modern iPhones if you plug it into an external monitor. I assume they aren't doing it because it would cannibalize their laptop market.
- api 1y agoIt would also be slow, not because the chip is slow but because if you do serious things with it it’s going to thermal throttle. Laptops have way better heat dissipation. Most people put phones in cases which makes heat dissipation much worse.
- pipodeclown 1y agoSure but just for browsing, checking some e-mails, a bit of YouTube or other media consumption, you know what 90% of people use their macbook for 99% of the time, it would be fine. Nobody is saying you should be able to render some 3d models on an iPhone..
- api 1y agoIs that really true. Do non-serious computer users still buy laptops? What I see is that non-serious users who only communicate and consume content use phones and tablets. Laptops and desktops are for work, non-trivial content creation, and serious gaming with high memory and GPU requirements. You’re not running “cargo build” or a VM with Docker or Cyberpunk 2077 on a phone. Higher end phones almost have enough CPU but not enough GPU, RAM, storage, or heat dissipation.
- thfuran 1y ago>Laptops and desktops are for work, But that's mostly email, SaaS, web meetings, and spreadsheets. Most people have never in their lives run "cargo build" or launched Cyberpunk 2077. The actual market for sustained high local CPU/GPU compute is pretty small compared to the market for minimal load with the occasional small burst, and the latter works pretty well with poor cooling solutions.
- stetrain 1y agoYeah, I think they could increase the utility of this product for the price point pretty easily by just adding a My Virtual Mac VM to it. Obviously there would be performance constraints but at least for your $3499 you'd be getting a Mac instead of just a Mac Monitor.
- bsimpson 1y agoI never would have bought a gaming computer or console, but a gaming handheld is an easy purchase. There's something much more approachable about having an appliance with a built-in screen vs having to get a monitor/TV and dedicate part of your living space to something you use sometimes.
- rovr138 1y agoIt also simplifies their OS, software, testing, etc.
- karmakaze 1y agoIt seemed silly to me, but then I remembered how Apple works. Create something that you can't have. Oh an M5 chip in something I won't buy. It would be great if we had M5's in MacBooks -> want. Apple manufactures desire first before satisfying that created 'new' market. Last time I recall was the iPad Pro's even before they started getting useful as very few people buy these. Scarcity sells. The math isn't how many people will buy Vision Pro M5, it's how many have nots can be created by putting it in the Vision Pro.
- jayd16 1y agoSadly, they want to sell you the next iPhone not the next PC.
- jeroenhd 1y agoJust Apple being Apple. They don't think of the face computer as a face computer, but as a Brand New Experience that needs Brand New Applications. They'll keep their face computers separate for as long as they refuse to build Macbooks with touch screens. Which seems to be forever.