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> GrapheneOS has huge problems because of Pixel devices, which LineageOS could help with. What are these "huge problems" caused by Pixel devices?

franga2000 1y ago
Probably that Google is dragging their feet releasing Pixel kernel and other source code. LineageOS has many years of experience getting a working system on top of bad or incomplete sources, including getting kernel source out of vendors in the first place.
- palata 1y ago
  > dragging their feet releasing Pixel kernel Isn't it only the device tree, and therefore only affecting initial support for the Pixel 10? Doesn't feel like a huge problem, though it makes it harder to support the Pixel 10.
moffkalast 1y ago
I will never use GOS as long as it requires me to buy a Pixel, on principle, because it's made by Google. It's like having to buy a Microsoft Surface in order to use Linux.
- b112 1y ago
  You can use an older pixel, thus not really giving money to Google, and also preventing that phone from landing in a landfill. Without all that Google and carrier excess junk on board, an older phone is fast. You can buy a new pixel, install GrapheneOS, and laugh thinking about how you're denying the enemy the OS level tracking they wanted with that device.
  - notrealyme123 1y ago
    But you still support Google and the closed source Android ecosystem with that.
    - hsbauauvhabzb 1y ago
      You could offset that by convincing others to use graphene, and by degoogling your device you’re also cutting off one of their other income streams
    - b112 1y ago
      No, actually, you don't. And Android is not closed source. Google's add ons are. When you buy a used phone, it's already been bought by someone. The profit is already in Google's hands. Loads of old phones are in drawers somewhere. Once Graphene is on it, it's faster, not bloated, and you don't need Google anything.
- palata 1y ago
  The reason why GrapheneOS only supports the Pixels is that the other manufacturers are not trying to get their shit together and release a phone that is reasonably secure. It's not that GrapheneOS supports Google, it's just that the other manufacturers are worse than Google. If a major manufacturer released a good smartphone that GrapheneOS could support, they would get new users from the set of people who want GrapheneOS. I would gladly buy a non-Pixel as long as it can run GrapheneOS. Which means that in a way, if you buy a Pixel and install GrapheneOS, you give more credibility to GrapheneOS, making it more interesting for a different manufacturer to consider supporting them.
fsflover 1y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925

franga2000 1y ago

Probably that Google is dragging their feet releasing Pixel kernel and other source code. LineageOS has many years of experience getting a working system on top of bad or incomplete sources, including getting kernel source out of vendors in the first place.

palata 1y ago
> dragging their feet releasing Pixel kernel Isn't it only the device tree, and therefore only affecting initial support for the Pixel 10? Doesn't feel like a huge problem, though it makes it harder to support the Pixel 10.

moffkalast 1y ago

I will never use GOS as long as it requires me to buy a Pixel, on principle, because it's made by Google. It's like having to buy a Microsoft Surface in order to use Linux.

b112 1y ago
You can use an older pixel, thus not really giving money to Google, and also preventing that phone from landing in a landfill. Without all that Google and carrier excess junk on board, an older phone is fast. You can buy a new pixel, install GrapheneOS, and laugh thinking about how you're denying the enemy the OS level tracking they wanted with that device.
- notrealyme123 1y ago
  But you still support Google and the closed source Android ecosystem with that.
  - hsbauauvhabzb 1y ago
    You could offset that by convincing others to use graphene, and by degoogling your device you’re also cutting off one of their other income streams
  - b112 1y ago
    No, actually, you don't. And Android is not closed source. Google's add ons are. When you buy a used phone, it's already been bought by someone. The profit is already in Google's hands. Loads of old phones are in drawers somewhere. Once Graphene is on it, it's faster, not bloated, and you don't need Google anything.
palata 1y ago
The reason why GrapheneOS only supports the Pixels is that the other manufacturers are not trying to get their shit together and release a phone that is reasonably secure. It's not that GrapheneOS supports Google, it's just that the other manufacturers are worse than Google. If a major manufacturer released a good smartphone that GrapheneOS could support, they would get new users from the set of people who want GrapheneOS. I would gladly buy a non-Pixel as long as it can run GrapheneOS. Which means that in a way, if you buy a Pixel and install GrapheneOS, you give more credibility to GrapheneOS, making it more interesting for a different manufacturer to consider supporting them.

fsflover 1y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925