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GrapheneOS is ready to break free from Pixels
- WD-42 1y agoThis could be really good considering current events in the android space.
- SpecialistK 1y agoAny guesses who the OEM is? I'm thinking Nothing.
- d3Xt3r 1y agoThey said "major OEM" so I don't think it's them. Unlikely to be Samsung either. Maybe Xiaomi or Lenovo (Motorola)?
- bogwog 1y agoThey said it'd be priced similarly to Pixels, so ~$1000 range. Afaik the only Motorola phone in that range is the Razr, but that'd be a weird choice.
- Dylan16807 1y agoI sure hope they're not excluding the a series when they say that.
- joecool1029 1y agoNo shot on it being Xiaomi (or any other BBK brand like OnePlus), they haven't been super great to the custom rom community in some years now. I would have guessed HMD, but they just pulled out of the US market: https://www.androidauthority.com/hmd-global-leaves-us-market-3576404/ https://www.androidauthority.com/hmd-global-leaves-us-market... However, Motorola/Lenovo seems the most logical partner, they were previously in the Android One program (which was sort of the successor to the Nexus line).
- IlikeKitties 1y agoGiven that OnePlus is the only other vendor that currently has semi-decent custom rom support my guess is them, followed by HMD.
- MaximilianEmel 1y agoMy guess is Sony.
- walterbell 1y agoSailfish also supported some Sony devices, https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/ https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/
- cmxch 1y agoIf they got rid of their fear of the US market, they might actually have gotten somewhere.
- Tor3 1y agoI use Sailfish on an Xperia 10 mod. III. Unfortunately the only Xperia models which support the full Sailfish w/Android compatibility are the way too long ones. I intensely dislike long phones. I miss my old Jolla phone (they're the maker of Sailfish), it was perfect but developed a technical problem after many years. The Xperia is clumsy when compared to the Jolla phone. Glass surfaces back and front (who thought that was a good idea? Glass is slippery, and glass breaks), sometimes slips from my hand, or wherever I put it if it's not 100% flat. Glass..well, you get the idea what happens then..
- bpye 1y agoSony pulled out of NA a few years ago so that would be non-ideal for many folks…
- d3Xt3r 1y agoThis is excellent news. I've always wanted to try GrapheneOS, but I dislike Google and dislike Pixels even more (Tensor sucks + there's the whole VoLTE/5G issue), so I never got a chance to try it out. Hopefully they select an OEM which supports pKVM - that's the one Pixel feature I'd really like to see being implemented on other Android devices.
- Nashooo 1y agoCurious, what phone would you recommend/do you use?
- d3Xt3r 1y agoI use a Samsung Fold because I read a lot of books/manga, and I also love its multitasking features over stock Android/Pixel. Finally I also prefer it's form-factor (roughly 3:4 unfolded screen, and a narrow front screen) over other similar devices. But it's obviously not for everyone so I can't really recommend it to everyone. And to be honest I can't in good faith recommend any Android phone these days, I hate what Google and other OEMs have done to the ecosystem. I'm quite bullish on Linux phones though, like the FuriPhone FLX1, the Volla Phone Quintus, and the Jolla C2 - obviously again they're not for everyone, so for normies I would recommend an iPhone, and for techies I'd suggest giving the Linux phones a try (or maybe get a OnePlus/Nothing phone and load LineageOS+Magisk if you don't mind playing the cat-and-mouse game with Play Integrity).
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- Propelloni 1y agoI have no special insights, but Sony's phones seem like a good fit. They are really easy to unlock [1], but there are virtually no mods but Lineage. Maybe because they are very stock Android and bloat-free? They range from 300 to 1000 EUR. I personally am fond of the "lower end" and slender Xperia 5 and 10 lines and the customary 21:9 screen ratio. [1] https://developer.sony.com/open-source/aosp-on-xperia-open-devices/get-started/unlock-bootloader https://developer.sony.com/open-source/aosp-on-xperia-open-d...
- moogly 1y agoOh I hope it's one that makes flippables. It'd be hard to go back to mega-slabs now.
- Animats 1y agoOh, good. There's going to be a migration path for F-Droid users after Google's latest actions.
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- zb3 1y agoBy not publishing Pixel device trees Google shot themselves in the foot removing the only reason for me buying their devices, while at the same time gaining nothing. Great move :)
- 827a 1y agoA lot of people will say "well, the market of people who want that is so small that its not even a blip on Google's radar", but let's cut that one off at the pass: No one buys pixel devices anymore. Their sales are abysmal, Tensor mobile silicon has been a failure, and the one thing they kinda had going for them was general good vibes with the broader tech community. But, they're Google, so they ruined that too. I suspect there will be a Pixel 11, maybe a Pixel 12, but that'll be it.
- jeroenhd 1y ago> No one buys pixel devices anymore From the numbers I've read, Pixels are doing just fine: https://www.phonearena.com/news/google-top-five-premium-smartphone-vendor-h1-2025-apple-number-one-samsung-number-two_id173860 https://www.phonearena.com/news/google-top-five-premium-smar... and https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/google-pixel/google-pixel-surprise-us-q2-2025-annual-growth-boost-smartphone-market https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/google-pixel/google-pi... both claim Pixel sales shot up this very year. Google will lose maybe one percent of sales on GrapheneOS dropping Pixels, but that's not going to make a dent into their sales figures.
- like_any_other 1y agoI applaud them - finding an OEM to build a phone for an Android fork is extremely difficult, because Google conditions access to the Play store on a manufacturer not building any phones with Android forks [1]. A move so ridiculously anti-competitive and hostile that it's outrageous they haven't been sued for it yet by at least the EU. It's not only that their products spy on you - they are actively doing all they can to kill any other products. If you care about privacy, they are your enemy, it's as simple as that. [1] While it might not be an official requirement, being granted a Google apps license will go a whole lot easier if you join the Open Handset Alliance. The OHA is a group of companies committed to Android—Google's Android—and members are contractually prohibited from building non-Google approved devices. That's right, joining the OHA requires a company to sign its life away and promise to not build a device that runs a competing Android fork. Acer was bit by this requirement when it tried to build devices that ran Alibaba's Aliyun OS in China. Aliyun is an Android fork, and when Google got wind of it, Acer was told to shut the project down or lose its access to Google apps. - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...
- aniviacat 1y agoGrapheneOS' Reddit comment shown in the article says "selling devices with GrapheneOS preinstalled would be nice but wouldn't be required". To me that sounds like devices with GrapheneOS preinstalled is not gonna happen.
- strcat 1y agoIt will likely happen after the initial generation with official support. It's hard to do it for the initial generation, but it's possible.
- biotinker 1y agoI would suspect that the sort of person (like myself) that would rather run GrapheneOS over LineageOS would rather install themselves than buy preinstalled. Much easier to verify no one slipped you an altered image.
- idle_zealot 1y agoI really appreciate having a non-Google Android OS, free of Play services and other lock-in, and use Graphene on my own Pixel. The focus on security and hardening is also appreciated, but I wish the project were more ambitious in terms of actually improving on Android in terms of usability, features, and overall experience. As-is it feels like a barebones AOSP with all the security improvements existing as a sort of hypothetical improvement in the background.
- ForHackernews 1y agoYou might like /e/OS. It's less secure/hardened than Graphene, but offers a de-Googled Android with a focus on privacy and usability.
- user2722 1y agoIt uses microG which has its own set of issues, though.
- cookiengineer 1y agoAnd it's a 1:1 copy of LineageOS, so there's that.
- strcat 1y agoIt has very poor privacy and security. See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand.... It lags extremely far behind on kernel, driver and firmware patches even when they're available. It lags far behind on AOSP and browser patches too. As an example, /e/ on the Pixel 7 is still on Android 13 with multiple years of missing High and Critical severity kernel, firmware and driver patches since they didn't backport it to Android 13 while the Pixel 7 is on Android 16.
- ysnp 1y agoThe base operating system is quite far behind on app compatibility, privacy and "deGoogling" in comparison to GrapheneOS https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm.
- ysnp 1y agoIt's hopeful news. GrapheneOS have had access to security patches as part of their agreement with an OEM partner already, so I assume these discussions/plans have been with the same partner. They are also hopeful of getting full access to AOSP releases which would greatly alleviate the pain Google have put custom OS developers through recently. I am still very surprised that any OEM is willing to commit to monthly security updates and OS upgrades for a minimum of possibly five years. I think it would be a good thing for GrapheneOS to have more than one partnership in future for the Android ecosystem as a whole.
- NoboruWataya 1y agoAnyone know if partnering with a major OEM for official support makes it more likely that they will be able to consistently support things like banking apps (and maybe even payment apps) in the future? I suspect the answer is "no" but I want to believe...
- zb3 1y agoIf those apps use "Play Integrity" (bad choice) then the probability is close to zero because it's Google that controls it. Other OEMs that currently pass it do it only because the device was certified by Google. But being certified by Google of course precludes not preinstalling or sandboxing their GMS apps.
- IlikeKitties 1y agoThe answer is it depends. Banking and similar Apps trying to "protect" the user from themselves aka treat the user like a retarded child do this through several mechanisms: > Google Play Integrity Essentially a Google API that App Developers integrate that checks if the device runs an Operating System signed by Google as "Play Certified". This can go as far as being backed by a hardware trusted platform module. I doubt Google will certify GrapheneOS given their modifications towards sandboxing the play services. This can be faked to a degree but GrapheneOS choses not to do it and to fake the TPM part you need leaked keys. For more details on how to fake it look at this thread: https://xdaforums.com/t/guide-how-to-pass-strong-integrity-on-android-step-by-step-guide.4729435/ https://xdaforums.com/t/guide-how-to-pass-strong-integrity-o... > Fingerprinting the Device OS This can very from app to app and just tries to fingerprint the device in many ways to see if it's running a custom rom of some kind. This does things like check to see if the bootloader is unlocked or if root is installed. I think this is something an official grapheneos phone might fix since the phone vendor could allow grapheneos to sign their releases as native equivalent > Banning GrapheneOS by Name Some Apps Developers literally ban GrapheneOS by name. > Failures due to Google Play Sandboxing Since GrapheneOS sandboxes Google Play Services there might be compatibility issues that prevent the app from working right. This would likely be unaffected by a GrapheneOS Phone. > Failures due to Advanced Security Features Some Apps just don't "like" the advanced security features like the hardened malloc and other protections and just fail. This can be disabled most of the time
- giantg2 1y ago"GrapheneOS didn’t reveal the name of its new partner, but said that those devices will be priced in the same range as Pixels" Boo
- Night_Thastus 1y agoYep. I like my midrange phone I got for ~$300. I'm not paying top-dollar just for GrapheneOS.
- giantg2 1y agoI'd love a phone around that price that would run Graphene.
- buyanoldermodel 1y agoWhy not just buy an older pixel a model ...? Like a 7a ... It is cheaper and runs GOS.
- epolanski 1y agoI personally can't buy phones without physical dual sim. Dual eSIMs when travelling have failed me too many times.
- SchwKatze 1y agoThey made this "announcement" around 80 days ago here on HN :) [1] 1- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44676691#44678172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44676691#44678172
- giantg2 1y agoI wonder what percentage of Pixel sales ended up running Graphene. It feels like running Graphene is the only real benefit to a Pixel. I wonder if Google is getting out of phones after Pixel 10 or 11.
- imiric 1y agoIt's probably a negligible percentage. Installing custom ROMs is niche even within the tech crowd.
- sndean 1y agoCould estimate ~1% (+/- 1%) given the Graphene user estimates [1] and the tens of millions of Pixels sold at this point. [1] https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21946-grapheneos-popularity?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21946-grapheneos-popularity...
- giantg2 1y agoInteresting, I wouldn't have guessed they had tens of millions active.
- warkdarrior 1y ago1% of "tens of millions" is hundreds of thousands.
- ForHackernews 1y agoTypical mind fallacy. According to one estimate, there are about 250k total GrapheneOS users https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-users-are-there https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-u... This source claims Google shipped 10 million devices last year https://coolest-gadgets.com/google-pixel-smartphones-statistics/ https://coolest-gadgets.com/google-pixel-smartphones-statist... If we generously assume every GrapheneOS user bought a new phone in the last year, 2.5% of those Pixels are running Graphene.
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- phoronixrly 1y agoI hope it's not one of the biggest names. I hope they've decided to work with a more ethical brand to elevate their quality. How about a Graphene OS phone with a removable battery?
- zvmaz 1y agoAt any rate, they explicitly said that they are not working with fairphone [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44678459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44678459
- phoronixrly 1y agoYeah, was kinda hoping they's work with Fairphone to fix their shit security situation... Anyway, hopefully another ethical brand fingers crossed! Thanks for the link!
- walterbell 1y ago2027 in EU: https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027 https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-rep...
- strcat 1y agoIt's one of the major OEMs. They have a bunch of devices, so we can eventually support more than one and can have new supported models each year. Small OEMs are not currently capable of meeting our security feature and update requirements listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. Fairphone 4 and Pixel 6 both launched October 2021. Fairphone 4 has an end-of-life Linux 4.19 kernel which stopped getting LTS updates vs. launching with Linux 5.10 and moving to Linux 6.1. Fairphone 4 is still on Android 13 which is end-of-life soon. Fairphone 4 lacks proper privacy/security patches since it's just getting partial backports to Android 13 which they ship 1-2 months after the official date. OEMs are allowed to ship them up to 3 months before the official date and have at least 1 month early access, so that's a longer delay than it seems. Is the way these devices marketed ethical when considering the lack of privacy, security, long term support and sustainability? Do the claims about fair treatment of workers and fair sourcing of resources have more substance? Is it better or worse than the ethics of an iPhone, which has very efficient per-unit production and far better long term support?
- imiric 1y agoThis is good news, but I hope that the device is not a "Graphene-phone". I.e. that it's not strictly built for GOS, but that it's a good generic and open device that happens to support GOS. For example, I would like such hardware to also be able to run mainline Linux, and to be able to run GOS on other devices besides the single approved one, potentially from different manufacturers.
- ACCount37 1y agoGraphene doesn't have the volume to get a custom flagship grade device made for them. So even if they get a device that ships with Graphene preinstalled? It's going to be a variant of another Android phone. Which is, generally, not that good for Linux mainlining. Qualcomm SoCs are "meh" when it comes to mainline Linux support - some parts are there, but a lot of them aren't. It has been getting better for the last bit though?
- hfkdygdy 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45586622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45586622
- matheusmoreira 1y agoAmazing news!!! Google is incapable of selling their phones worldwide. Here's to hoping GrapheneOS's new phones will be easier to get hold of.
- t1234s 1y agographine needs a built in calendar app that uses caldav
- foresto 1y agoIs DAVx⁵ not sufficient?
- drnick1 1y agoDAVx5 works well, but it is indeed rather surprising that Graphene does not come with a calendar or an email client. I guess the idea is that you can download F-Droid and choose your own, but even F-Droid is not provided by default.
- ysnp 1y agoOn bundling apps in general: https://grapheneos.org/faq#bundled-apps https://grapheneos.org/faq#bundled-apps. For the calendar app particularly I think they assessed that the AOSP Calendar app was beyond saving (left to rot by AOSP/Google). I cannot remember if they still have plans to develop a calendar app. I believe you're right that the idea is for people to download the apps they want (from wherever they choose). GrapheneOS has a complicated history with F-Droid though. Unfortunately, unless their approach was different in a lot of significant ways, it is unlikely GrapheneOS will include F-Droid in their Apps app repository.
- smashah 1y agoGrapheneOS + Xiaomi hardware = Pixel killer
- fithisux 1y agoI hope so.
- monegator 1y ago"GrapheneOS didn’t reveal the name of its new partner, but said that those devices will be priced in the same range as Pixels" which means what? ~300€ like the "A" models? ~1000€ like the pro models? both?
- distances 1y agoThe "a" models haven't been 300€ for a good while now. Launch price for 9a was 549€. So I would set that as the floor price for any speculation about this.
- madduci 1y agoSadly, I believe that only 1000€+ models are meant here. Knowing that OnePlus has been the most friendly for alternative OSes, I believe that the newer OnePlus Phones will get GrapheneOS builds. It's hard to believe that Samsung, Huawei or Xiaomi are going to partner with them.
- koziserek 1y agoI hope it's gonna be Sony with x10 vii/viii.
- CommanderData 1y agoCool but isn't the appeal of Pixels it's baseband security model/USB https://security.googleblog.com/2024/10/pixel-proactive-security-cellular-modems.html?m=1 https://security.googleblog.com/2024/10/pixel-proactive-secu... I don't have all the links to post here but I recall this being a big factor.
- ysnp 1y agoGrapheneOS have mentioned in the past that the Qualcomm baseband processors compare well to competition in terms of security and isolation support on their respective SoCs. There may be other aspects they need to catch up to Pixels on regarding security though (like the secure element, open-source TEE etc.).
- strcat 1y agoSnapdragon flagships have solid security and it's the devices made with those which ruin it. Snapdragon has both advantages and disadvantages compared to Tensor. Pixel 6 through Pixel 9a are essentially Exynos SoC devices using standard Cortex and Mali cores. Certain components are custom including a Trusty OS TEE and secure core, a separate hardened secure element chip, image processing, TPU for neural network acceleration, etc. Tensor was mostly standard Exynos. Pixel 10 moved away from Exynos other than the cellular radio chip, but it's not clear if that is good or bad for security. It gives them more independence, choices and control to an extent but they largely licensed the IP for the components and it's not necessarily more secure. Perhaps PowerVR GPUs have better security than Mali, but that's unclear. It does appear they got GPU virtualization support through it, but Qualcomm cares a lot about virtualization too especially since they support laptops with Windows, etc.
- rewgs 1y agoI have a feeling they're working with OnePlus. They've lost their "enthusiast" vibe over the years, and officially supporting GrapheneOS could help them to reclaim it while still keeping prices high (or even justifying raising them).
- Iolaum 1y agoI was being curious and asked ChatGPT. OnePlus came as a likely candidate there as well. Still 2027 is a long time, hopefully my phone keeps working till then xD.
- rewgs 1y agoI really don't mean any offense here, but...why did you ask ChatGPT? What value did that give you instead of just, you know, thinking about it?
- ozgrakkurt 1y agoIt is only useful if you are too “lazy” to do something. It is never useful if you are already capable of doing the thing
- Iolaum 1y agoYou need to broaden your horizons, mate. While an LLM does something for me, I am free to do something else.
- Iolaum 1y agoI didn't want to go search for posts and speculation regarding what company maybe available so I asked it the question, and let it search the internet for me, compile the results and give me a speculative answer. Also speculating on this issue is quite low priority for me that I didn't want to spend actual brain cycles. Lastly I do try to find new ways to try and test ChatGPT to see how and when it works.
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- wolvesechoes 1y agoI don't want a new phone. I am more interested in keeping older phones alive, because they are usually more than capable for my usage (banking app, web browser, maps), and the only problem is lack of updates. Thus I am more interested in LineageOS. E-waste is bigger problem for me than few security improvements.
- npteljes 1y agoWhat do you think about selling your old phone, and buying a used Pixel? This would get you a Graphene-approved phone, but generate no e-waste.
- wolvesechoes 1y agoMy Pixel 4a is perfect phone for me (I hate big phones), but Graphene dropped support quite while ago.
- npteljes 1y agoI feel you. Phones move so fast, they require a lot of compromises from the user. I am currently using a Pixel 7a, 8mm longer and 3mm wider than the 4a, and I'm reasonably happy with it. Although to be honest, I also have my pet peeve with it - the build is not as nice as my previous Samsung Galaxy S9, and I miss that. You could also consider 8a, same size as 7a, and support will last even longer, so if you get accustomed to that, there will be no need to change for a while.
- strcat 1y agoThe most recent 3 generations of Pixels have 7 years of support from launch. One of the hardware requirements for GrapheneOS is 5-7 years of firmware and driver security patches. We continued allowing 5 years to avoid locking ourselves into Pixels since it's the hardest requirement from https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices for major OEMs to fulfill. Most of the rest are done for them by Qualcomm with a flagship Snapdragon SoC.
- jFriedensreich 1y agoEvery time i try to switch to a libre android i encounter the same blocker of not being able to do a full backup and restore with all app data and full control without hacky, weird third party apps that don't work, just as i can do on any linux in the world. I don't understand how the android ecosystem and everyone working on this is just ignoring the data.
- taegee 1y agoSame here. For me the biggest bummer with GrapheneOS is that the promised new back up system is still not even on the horizon and was promised a gazillion years ago.
- FireInsight 1y agoI've used CalyxOS and Iode on my FP4, both roms integrated with Seedvault and making a full backup was seamless. Which roms have you tried, then?
- jFriedensreich 1y agogoogling for seedvault result: “Seedvault's app-specific restoration capabilities are limited, and it does not directly handle WhatsApp's chat backups, which must be handled by WhatsApp its” I am looking for filesystem level data control that can backup everything without relying on something in the control of an app developer.
- FireInsight 1y agoI think it depends on the way applications store data. Local WhatsApp backups may be backed up by Seedvault, but not the database. I'm not sure to be honest, though. I'm so paranoid I also make app-level backups at regular intervals so that nothing breaks or is lost.
- ulrikrasmussen 1y agoI use a self-hosted Nextcloud and sync all contacts, photos and calendar with it. Having full native support for all Android apps would be pretty cool though.
- mcherm 1y agoAnd does it allow "side loading"? Privacy might not be the only draw!
- drnick1 1y agoOf course it does. The whole point of a FOSS platform is the remove this kind of corporate control. It's your device, and you run whatever code you want on it.
- joemazerino 1y agoWhen is the last time a mobile OS worked with an OEM and found long-term success?
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- fariszr 1y agoFinally! Pixel hardware is a joke, the pixel 10 pro has the performance of a three year old phone, with battery life worse than the iPhone Air (according to shortcircut/ltt tests). Even the cameras are starting to fall behind. I had a pixel, and it just stopped working out of nowhere. I just can't justify spending 800$+ on a phone with mid-range hardware at best Yes their software is the best, but with such hardware it just can't compensate anymore. I don't think I will be able to wait til GrapheneOS announces their new supported phones, probably will pick up a OnePlus with battery life that doesn't suck.
- notorandit 1y agoCommercial partnership between open source projects and real companies can be tricky if not deadly. I still remember CyanogenMod powering the first OnePlus One as Cyngn Co. Lineage OS raised from the ashes of CyanogenMod. On top of this, any ad blocking and "privacy first" project just shutters in pieces when the hardware manufacturer gives you a bunch of binary-only closed-source modules to be stuck into the kernel. Stop using apps and run Firefox or any other open source browser. That type of privacy can be (almost) achieved that way. But if your os runs non-auditable binaries directly into the kernel, then it's clear we are talking about dreams, not reality.
- strcat 1y agoGrapheneOS isn't a product or a business. It's partnership between a non-profit organization (GrapheneOS Foundation) obligated to pursue the defined mission and a for-profit Android OEM making hardware. It's not a for-profit venture from the GrapheneOS side. There are no closed source components in kernel space for Pixels and won't be for other devices we support either. Hardware and firmware is closed source in practice for all modern computers. Open source doesn't mean something is inherently more private or secure. In the case of hardware, you also can't verify it matches the sources in a similar way as software. Firefox has poor security, but especially on Android where it doesn't implement sandboxing yet let alone site isolation. It has much worse exploit protections and other security protections than Chromium-based browsers. Using web apps over native apps makes sense for reducing their access but has privacy downsides too such as trusting the servers rather than having signed releases able to provide more meaningful end-to-end encryption. Not everything can be done with web apps, especially in Firefox where there's no WebUSB, etc. as alternatives to installing native apps providing much less access to other things beyond what's required. For example, Firefox can't be used to install GrapheneOS on a device via the easy to use web installer due to lack of WebUSB despite Mozilla coming up with the early version of it as part of FirefoxOS.
- notorandit 1y agoDo you mean we have full source code of baseband modem and wifi/bt hw interface?
- john01dav 1y agoI'm thrilled to see robust investment into open mobile OSes. Ideally they'd establish open standards for other OEMs to unilaterally support. I wrote more about that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45596284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45596284
- mvdtnz 1y agoThey're out of their minds if they think they can command the premium Pixel price point for this. The only way it succeeds is by bringing it into a more reasonable market segment.