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I love that this was US propaganda at one point. The US always has failings, but this message is something we can be proud of.
by neilv 1y ago
I love that this was US propaganda at one point.
The US always has failings, but this message is something we can be proud of.
- swed420 1y agoExcept for the endorsement of littering, which fit the time period. It would be decades before they wheeled out a crying native american on TV to make people feel guilty about the matter(s).
- kelseyfrog 1y agoItalian*
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- mulmen 1y agoLittering? Did I miss something?
- PeterisP 1y agoThe "Keep America Beautiful" ad campaign with a Native American character (played by an Italian actor?) who's sad about the polluted environment.
- 113 1y agoIs it still true that Americans find it hard to see how this is very clearly propaganda? Yes, it's anti-Nazi but it's still has very obvious problems.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y agoWhat problems?
- 113 1y agoWell it's massively overtly nationalist for one. There's a hilarious sequence at the beginning that's just shots of American industry and agriculture.
- lazide 1y agoWhat, by your definition, would not be problematic? And, why would anyone like it?
- MBCook 1y agoAre there governments that aren’t heavily nationalistic in wartime?
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- rfrey 1y agoI am not American, and I am having tremendous difficulty understanding what you are talking about. Nobody in this thread has denied this is propaganda or that it is nationalistic.
- B1FF_PSUVM 1y agoNot for long.
- stinkbeetle 1y agoThe idea that national governments should not work for the good of their citizens is propaganda.
- tengbretson 1y agoDo you get this way about signs in restrooms telling you to wash your hands? Americans fall for that trick constantly.
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- neilv 1y agoMy wild guess is that most people who are aware of this film recognize that it's a kind of propaganda. Of course you're going to get nationalism-tinged anti-fascist propaganda from the US Dept. of the Army in 1945. There are large voting blocs who need to hear and comprehend the message of this film that happens to be propaganda, right now.
- mlrtime 1y ago> There are large voting blocs who need to hear and comprehend the message of this film that happens to be propaganda, right now. Can you explain, who are the large (how big is large?) voting blocks that need to comprehend the message in the film?
- alsetmusic 1y agoSorry to reply to a days old thread, but if you haven't seen the reporting on openly-fascist groups like Patriot Front and openly-nazi groups carrying swastika flags in marches (in the USA for both examples), you're likely only getting a very biased news feed. Or the Terrorgram extremist online group trying to recruit kids on Roblox. Or the openly white-nationalist guys starting "youth clubs" that are like gyms and scouts trying to recruit kids. I'm plugged into a lot of media that isn't typical USA pablum, so I learn a lot about extremists. But the first two examples get play in mainstream news media and even the others appear on non-fringe (just not mainstream) sources, like the Southern Poverty Law Center and such.
- cardanome 1y agoIt is literally propaganda. Very good propaganda with a very good and truthful message. (Except maybe a bit of too much idealizing the US and also the role of the catholic church but the main point is fine.) I guess the confusion is because in Western societies people are used to the doublespeak of only calling something propaganda when it is done by the "other side". The other side is "spreading the narrative" you are "reporting facts". You use different words to describe the same thing. Like the good guys are "rebels" and the bad guys are "terrorists". There is nothing wrong with propaganda. It can be used for good or bad. Just don't start falling for your own one.
- cortesoft 1y agoWell, the standard definition of propaganda is that it is false and misleading : > information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a particular cause, doctrine, or point of view. Which I think most people consider bad. If the information is true and not misleading, it would be considered educational or informational.
- nucleogenesis 1y ago> *biased* or misleading The bias is what would make somebody consider some propaganda good and others bad. Like - anti-fascist propaganda is good because it’s biased against an anti-human and oppressive ideology.
- noobermin 1y agoThe traditional meaning of the phrase is that it is not neccessarily information of a misleading nature but is propagated to advance a particular political aim. In that older definition, propaganda can be true or false, misleading of correct. The current connotation to me seems a result of propaganda from authoritarian states (nazis in germany, communists in the old communist bloc) and the presupposition that the propaganda they pushed was misleading and/or false.
- vintermann 1y agoAs long as you pick one definition and stick with it, you can define propaganda how you want. But this is not what people do. They juggle two definitions of propaganda: one broad where anything used to convince you of something is propaganda, and one narrow where it by definition is deceptive. It's the original "no true Scotsman": there the broad definition (Scotsman=person from Scotland) is used to argue for the narrow definition ("real" Scotsman=good and upstanding person from Scotland)
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- softgrow 1y agoI watched the film and was surprised when it moved on from gambling and scams. Initially thought it was aimed at avoiding being scammed of your hard earned cash by shysters. I wonder if there is a film produced at the time about that?
- autoexec 1y ago> Initially thought it was aimed at avoiding being scammed of your hard earned cash by shysters. Well, that too really. Just a different breed of shyster, but they'll come for your wallet as sure as they will your freedoms.
- scoofy 1y agoIt's priming. You have to present very obvious scams, to then conflate the concept of being scammed with political ideology... which doesn't necessarily follow. Propaganda is really interesting in the way it carries a narrative. It's like a good movie, gives you an idea about what you're going to watch, and then slowly flows to the places you expected it to go to, but it does it in unique and interesting way. There is certainly something innate in the human mind that loves these predictive narratives.
- pyuser583 1y agoThere was a FOIA-dump of old NSA propaganda posters. The kind they put up around Fort Meade for their own employees. It started off, in the early-50s, with things like "Remember, Freedom of the Press is one of the most important Freedoms." and "Remember, Freedoms come not from humans, but from nature/God itself." Then it slowly morphed into "Remember, we practice security so we can defend our liberties: every security breach harms our liberty." Then is quickly morphed into "Please don't have classified conversations in the carpool."
- notarobot123 1y agoI was expecting this comment to go in a more sinister direction but we're not quite there yet.